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I tried commenting on this before but the post disappeared. Here goes again:

Some of these, like not closing Gitmo and not getting out of Iraq, are due to Republicans in the House and Senate not letting him make some progressive changes. That being said, Obama hasn't even tried to end the rendition program, which sucks big floppy donkey dick.

Not every single liberal follows Obama like the messiah.

@GodlessLiberal - Why all the excuse making? You never let Bush get away with excuses like that.

The Commander in Chief can bring the troops home without Congressional approval.

I always ask, "Where's the outrage?"

I'm mean we voted for Barack Obama and got Bush, Jr.

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - It takes longer than a single term to do everything he wants to do, and to have it done the right way rather than the 'let me just ram this square peg in this here square hole even though it doesnt' fit' way.

@striemmy - At this point in Reagan's first term the economy was beginning to BOOM! The military was beginning to turn around from the disastrous Jimmy Carter gutting of it.

Bush had 9/11 which could have caused total economic collapse if it had not been for Bush's quick, decisive action.

Liberals are full of excuses and blame for Obama doing exactly what Bush did. Obama could have changed any one of the above policies over night.

It's time you realize that Obama will not change Bush policy. The reason for that is because those policies are effective.

@striemmy - but the "'let me just ram this square peg in this here square hole even though it doesnt' fit' way" didn't stop him from implementing the healthcare overhaul (which is highly controversial and will more than likely be deemed unconstitutional in court), further the corporate bailouts (that basically stole money from everyone to pay off corrupt and inept companies), "Wall Street" reform (that actually changes the way private citizens are allowed to control their own banking...), implement body scanners at airports (that violate privacy as well as put out more radiation than originally thought).

Not to mention, Bush had to deal with 9/11 as well as the remnants of the bursting of the dot com bubble.  Bush was able to implement each of those policies in his first term, yet you claim Obama can't put an end to them?

Side note, I do, however, give him huge props for finally getting bin Laden.

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - There is a strong distinction between something being effective and merely being in existence. If you have no better solution it does not instantly mean that no better solution exists for a problem but it does mean that you should keep using the current methods until you devise something better. Do you honestly think there isn't anyone working on this in his administration?

I think Obama is maintaining a faithful balance of political issues that respects both sides of the spectrum. It would be nice to be asked what we as the public want done, since its their job to represent the public.

@striemmy - Obama campaigned against Bush and his policies.

Liberals raged against Bush and his policies for 8 years.

Now Obama is following those very same policies.

Where's the outrage?

Alas, only excuses.

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - That's kinda horse crap. I build a house for a community of people. The house is a rickety piece of shit. Everyone complains about the house I built, including the boards falling from the ceiling and the complete lack of insulation from the elements. Someone takes the role of leadership from me and patches the house up. It's a shitty house but it's better than no house at all, even while building a new house or making renovations. 

@striemmy - Unlike the Obama presidency, the Bush presidency was solid. Great economy. Iraq War victory. Saddam Hussein taken out.

Obama supported all the policies that led to the economic melt down, too.

So the rickety house analogy doesn't work.

@Thunderheart1959 - It doesn't bother you that this balance is in direct contradiction to what Obama promised he would do in order to get elected? It would not bother me if he just admitted that now that he is president and no longer just an ignorant rookie Senator. He has found that Bush was right and he was wrong

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - The Bush presidency was not solid. The economy was literally being set up to go into the shitter during it. Saddam was not the target we were supposed to go after and was deposed, and consequently disposed, as a red herring. There was no reason to go after him that was consistent with the aims of our deployment in that region of the world at the time. The man had been president of that country for a quarter of a century and we hadn't done anything about it until we just happened to be in the neighborhood. Add on to that that we lost face in front of the world by executing him after a bs trial. 

@striemmy - The Bush economy was set up to fail by Democrats in Congress: Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

Dodd had to retire from the Senate because of his sweet heart real estate deals.

Bush warned the Congress various times that a melt down was coming.

Of course, the Democrats ignored him. 

Democrats Franklin Raines and Jaime Gurelic made off with over $100 million dollars from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as part of the corruption that was at the heart of the financial meltdown of 2007-8.

@trunthepaige - Things change, so plans change. Promises are always void. Did you think that for once a politician, the savior that is Obama, would stay with promises and not change, that for once do what he said he was gonna do? When has that last happened? 1787?

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - I could have sworn I just mentioned presidential veto. Look at his veto record and tell me how worried he was about economic meltdown. He dropped the ball on it. Every piece of legislation HAD to come through him to be passed. He had to hold it physically, and place his signature on it to sign it into law. Was he struck with sudden illiteracy? 

@striemmy - Quit blaming Bush!

The economic catastrophe was designed by the Democrats. It's just as simple as that.

During the last 2 years Obama has amassed more debt then Bush did in 8 years. And America's status as an economic super power is now at great risk.

We have rampant inflation now and the rest of the world wants to dump the dollar as the fiat currency.

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Taking the mantle of leadership makes you a de facto attractor for responsibility ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SIGN SHITTY LEGISLATION INTO LAW. How can you not blame someone for signing something that's going to buttfuck this country into law? People blame the current president for such behavior right now, rightfully, so stuff it and let responsibility fall where it should. 

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Oh and god forbid you bother to adjust for inflation. 

Wrong.  I do not attach myself to any labels like progressive or conservative, or Republican or Democrat, or whatever.  And I don't attach myself to any group or individuals.  So I am free to say that Obama's use of Drones is illegal as well as immoral. 

I don't even consider myself an American because I don't want to be associated with any particular tribe or nation.  Instead I consider myself a Global Citizen and thus am free to make decisions based on issues, rather than individuals.

@striemmy - You need to apply your comment to Obama.

Instead you keep blaming Bush. He's been gone for over 2 years! And the Democrats have been running the government for the last 4 years.

Being liberal means never having to say your sorry.

Liberalism destroys everything it touches but you guys just find someone to demonize and then move on like a plague of locusts.

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Actually, I did, in the last sentence of the first paragraph. 

@striemmy - Adjustments for inflation are just the government's way of lying about the true nature of the situation.

Everything in the economy depends on food and fuel.

And the cost of food and fuel is going into the stratosphere. 

Normal, everyday people experience that themselves, as inflation.  Normal people don't need the government to define reality for them.

@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - No, inflation and the adjustment of the value of currency is part of economics. If the government is lying then the value of the dollar is static and normal, everyday people wouldn't get the chance to experience it. If the government is telling the truth, and normal, everyday people do experience it for themselves, as inflation, then the value of the dollar isn't static (which it's not) and you've just told a lie. Adjustment for inflation is real valuation of the currency. 

nice quagmire you've wandered into there.