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Just a girl. I am a contrary one, but beyond that I am not so unusual, if that is unusual at all. I grew up on a farm, only 35 miles outside of Seattle, closer to Tacoma. Tacoma is a city I lived in for a while. I am now back at the farm, having fully succeeded in not following any of my parent’s advice. Sadly it was all very good advice I didn’t follow. So here I am, eating crow. Were did that saying “eating crow” come from?

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Monday, April 30, 2012

Faith=Suicide?

 

 

If religious faith causes suicide why is it that atheists are far more suicidal that those of faith?

 

"Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism."


"Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients"

 

If living in a christian nation causes suicide among homosexuals. Then why is there a higher attempted suicide rate of young homosexuals in the worlds most atheists nations, than in the evil very religious USA?

European Sexual Minority Suicidality Studies

It seems in the real world, not the made up straw man world of some the true is

 

Suicide by the Faithless.




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LOL I think that the faithful live by a stronger code.  Suicide also equals Hell in a lot of religions.  Otherwise, wouldn't they all want to go to heaven?

Posted 4/29/2012 12:02 PM by Colorsofthenight - recommend - reply

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@Colorsofthenight - It is an odd thing. Those who think this life is all there is, are the most likely to end it. That seems to make no sense

Posted 4/29/2012 12:05 PM by trunthepaige Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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@trunthepaige - welcome to humans 101 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE

We were chosen because we are stupid.  We make abstract associations. 

Posted 4/29/2012 12:09 PM by Colorsofthenight - recommend - reply


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the word of the day is "HOPE". no matter how tough it gets, a *believer in a higher power* has hope. that may be one of the greatest benefits to being a believer. the atheist chooses (that's right—CHOOSES) to think there is nothing else out there so when they reach the end of their rope, there is nothing left.

by the way, "choosing" to not believe in this case is NOT the same as saying gay people "choose" their lifestyle so don't even go there. atheistic people have been offered time and again to hear a believer's point of view. they mostly choose to argue about it and use hostile or scientific methodology to dig in their heels. that is a choice.

Posted 4/29/2012 12:22 PM by Composing_Life - recommend - reply

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It would seem that this post is a response to @Godlessliberal 's tour de force attack on Mitt Romney and Mormonism.

That's what it was actually.  He was just using the tragic death of one of his friends to score a few cheap points against religion and all those rascally Republicans.

His post makes him the Pied Piper of Hate Land and he's come for the children of Xanga.

I wish you well. And I hope Xanga's children run for their lives.

Posted 4/29/2012 1:29 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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Also, poorer countries have the lowest suicide rates

Posted 4/29/2012 1:29 PM by online now Nushirox2 - recommend - reply

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@Nushirox2 - People in poor countries are too miserable suffering from bone grinding poverty and tyranny to contemplate suicide.

They tend to die from horrible mass death whose causes include war, genocide, starvation and disease.
Posted 4/29/2012 1:42 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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Great post. Statistics seem to escape progressives...

Posted 4/29/2012 1:49 PM by Kellsbella - recommend - reply

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@PrisonerxOfxLove - I think they probably value life more than we do.

Posted 4/29/2012 2:04 PM by online now Nushirox2 - recommend - reply

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@Nushirox2 - I think people in general tend to cherish their lives. But suicide probably resorts from some sort of mental illness. And I wouldn't doubt if affluence was some sort of factor.

But give me affluence over poverty any day!
Posted 4/29/2012 2:07 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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*****This week  The Killers saxophonist committed suicide, so i have been thinking about him and others we don't hear about. *****People that don't deal with depression have a hard time understanding how one might make suicide an option. Yes there are those with chemical imbalances or metal issues, but depression is such a complicated thing, it has the power to take over you. When you have healthy human being who takes this sad road you have to try and understand what state they were in. *****People always say it is a selfish act, specially for those left behind, whatever label we put on it, it is a sad sad thing. Those that believe in something, in an after life probably stray away from suicide either because of their beliefs or for fear of eternal damnation, depends what book your reading from. If it is fear that keeps you from doing it that is a horrible way to live, now if it's love that draws away from it, that is wonderful way to live. *****There are people that live their entire lives without ever having that thought, i envy them for that. But there are others that struggle with this, does not mater where or who you are, that's just the way life is. Yet who are we to judge one gives in to a moment of weakness?*****Believers also struggle with suicide, specially those who deal with depression, God is not always loud, and when He is quiet and life seems impossible...you can see how this might be a horrible sad option, specially for a believer who does not have a firm understanding of his faith,who does not know  that God is more than emotions. Just because you can't feel His hands around you does not mean they are not there. *****When i hear about suicide my heart breaks...for the person that did it...and for those left behind.take care-stephen 
Posted 4/29/2012 2:28 PM by Thebraziliandude - recommend (1) - reply

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For anyone to turn a blind eye to hurting people is plain evil. I don't care about the rates of suicide among certain groups of people. The bottom line is, Christians should be helping these people, not trying to convert them, or worse, mock them. Sadly, that's too often the case. 

Posted 4/29/2012 5:10 PM by jmallory Xanga True Member - recommend (2) - reply

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@Composing_Life -  I don't choose to be an Atheist any more than I choose to recognize the sky is blue or that I'm not a man.  Why do you think differently?

Posted 4/29/2012 5:16 PM by DrummingMediocrity - recommend - reply

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@jmallory - Those are beautiful words.  You are a gem of a Christian.

Posted 4/29/2012 5:17 PM by DrummingMediocrity - recommend - reply

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I would not call the USA a highly Christian nation. In mainstream American culture, "religion", "Christ", "Jesus", and "sin" are all considered to be "dirty" words. As for the homosexuals, I find it extremely sad that my brothers and sisters, who are called to Jesus' representatives in the world see it fit to reprimand, oppress, and exclude valuable members of our society and congregations based on nothing more than whom they love. Speaking of suicide, it makes sense that there would be higher suicide rates in atheists because there is no accountability involved, nor is there any sort of hope to cling on to. I love science, I do, but it's not ENOUGH to give someone the hope that is necessary to carry you through those dark times.

Posted 4/29/2012 5:28 PM by Semper_medusa - recommend - reply

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Wow, you mean that persecuted minorities (like homosexuals and atheists in many areas) have a higher rate of depression? Shocker.

Also, you may have just skipped over this little nugget of wisdom from the article, which is completely understandable considering it's in the free abstract which prefaces the article and is thus the author's idea of what the important points to take away from this are: "Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members." So it's also saying that young people alone in the world were more suicidal.

Or how about: "Some of this difference may be due to underreporting in religious countries because of concerns over stigma"

I thought this was important: "The greatest protective effect of religion on suicide is reported to be
present in subjects who have relatives and friends of the same religion" Ahh, so they have a COMMUNITY to support them. And (since this is obviously, as Curtis pointed out, a not-so-sly rebuttal to my post) it would seem that risk of suicide would rise when that COMMUNITY rejects a person, thereby rendering them alone.

And I really loved this little gem from the article:" Therefore, it is possible that depressed patients who stated that they
were atheists or had no religion had abandoned religion as a consequence
of depression or hopelessness." So when you're depressed you may claim (since this entire study was done by personal statements as data) that you don't care about religion. For those of you unfamiliar with clinical depression (of which every person in this was diagnosed with) one of the major symptoms is disinterest in previously enjoyable activities. So when you're depressed, you lose interest in things you used to like, even if one of those things had been religion.

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@jmallory - And once again you've made your case for being awesome. Bravo, good sir!

Posted 4/29/2012 5:30 PM by GodlessLiberal Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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"If religious faith causes suicide why is it that atheists are far more suicidal that those of faith?"


probably because your god hates the mentally ill and sends anyone who commits suicide to Hell?  
Posted 4/29/2012 6:08 PM by flapper_femme_fatale - recommend - reply

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@Composing_Life - sorry to burst your theory, but i'm agnostic by circumstance... not choice.  if God wants me to believe in Him, i'm sure He's very capable of convincing me.  until He does, i'm agnostic by default. 

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also, if i may say so... this post comes across as very inhumane.  you almost sound like you rejoice in non-Christians killing themselves, because it proves your point.  i would imagine that the "Christian thing to do" would be to stress that suicide among ANY group for ANY reason is not a good thing in God's eyes.  from what i can see, the only decent Christian who has commented here is @jmallory - 

Posted 4/29/2012 6:18 PM by flapper_femme_fatale - recommend - reply

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@GodlessLiberal - Gays are a most talented and wealthy demographic. Everybody gets bullied. The most effective course of action is to quit whining and go to work. 

That's what the gay community has done, by and large. So have blacks, Hispanics and women.

But instead of recognizing these monumental accomplishments, people like you try to make yourselves feel important and righteous by dividing instead of uniting people, opening and infecting wounds instead of healing them.

You should join your fellow malcontent atheist buddies, Mathematicalbagpiper, Zerowing22 and Da__Vinci and get your hateful self off of Xanga.

Posted 4/29/2012 6:25 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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@flapper_femme_fatale - If you don't believe in God how can something that doesn't exist convince you of anything?

You first have to come to the reasonable conclusion that God exists and then you believe in him. 

Did your dog come up to you one day and tell you he existed?

You believe your dog exists because you came to the reasonable conclusion that he exists, not because the dog convinced you of anything.

Posted 4/29/2012 6:33 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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@flapper_femme_fatale - Who are you, a non-Christian, to judge among Christians and determine who among them is best?

What you are demonstrating is the very judgmental, bigoted thinking that you complain about. 

Jesus had a teaching:  Take care of the blank in your own eye before you bother about the splinter in the eye of another.
Posted 4/29/2012 6:32 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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@Composing_Life - If you care about your beliefs being true, then you cannot just "choose" them based on convenience or desire. You have to try to objectively follow the evidence wherever it leads.My atheism has nothing to do with whether i want there to be a God, whether it'd make me happy, or whether it'd make me less likely to commit suicide. I give those things no relevance since whether or not a belief is desirable or beneficial has no relevance to whether or not it's true, and because the truth matters to me. 


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