And another 250,000 Jews witnessed all that God business with Moses. 

Yet atheism remains unwitnessed by everyone who tries it. Sounds like a rubber room religion to me.

I often ponder, the wonder that a single man, through his words, and actions has established himself as the most important recognizable being in all of human history. Truth or lie, can any other man claim such a high level of greatness?

This single man chose to die a painful and torturous death at the hands of those who claimed power at the time, and in his death usurped all their power for 2000 years and counting. This single man has had more followers and devotees than any other man in human history, without the aid of TV or radio, without access to the internet, telephones or satellites.

Who else can claim such influence, and this very man humbly asigns all his power and glory to a divine being who is not himself, but the Almighty creator and Father of all mankind. How many powerful and influential men today are willing give credit to their sucess and glory to one greater than themselves?

Though provoking post Paige!

I'm not exactly sure what the truth is. It's really a faith thing. Sure there are historical accounts but it's shrouded in a lot of mystery. Romans persecuted Christians then a couple hundred years later put the biblical canon together. From the time of Christ through the 5th century there were many recognized accounts that aren't in today's canon. Who knows.

What I think is hilarious are people that think the bible is so ridiculous but so readily believe pseudo-history or magic. Astrology is a good example. I remember when the Da Vinci Code came out and many bible non-believers would tell me all these facts that the read in that fictional book.

@PrisonerxOfxLove - "And another 250,000 Jews witnessed all that God business with Moses."

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It's not 250,000 seperate witnesses when the account is from the attribution of a single "eye-witness."

@Celestial_Teapot - well you would think someone would have refuted it. Now for Jesus, why did they lie then die for the lie?

@Asunderfrom - those new testament account that were removed and they are still available, were all newer than the ones they kept. Their is no real controversy about existence of Jesus or his execution. not with real historians 

I know that Jesus existed and I am familiar with most of the other accounts of Jesus. What confuses me are the books that were originally included but later removed as well as the process over 300 years of refining the canon.

I think it is not at all about logic or an honest search for truth. I think it is about not wanting to have to submit to Him and His Rules, or anger about something that has happened that they think He should not have allowed. 

@trunthepaige - Because often times, the depth of a person's religious fanaticism is disconnected from logic and evidence in the real world.

The members of Heaven's Gate commited mass suicide to reach an alien craft following the Coment Hale-Bopp. Their willingless to die for their cause didn't mean they weren't stupid or misled.

@mtngirlsouth - "I think it is not at all about logic or an honest search for truth. I think it is about not wanting to have to submit to Him and His Rules, or anger about something that has happened that they think He should not have allowed."

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I don't think you disbelieve in Allah. You just refuse to submit to His glory and His justice.

Truth is,the Bible points out man's LIE ability and his willingness to do it at any cost and he doesn't like it being pointed out.It's funny too how someone will take something someone says about the Bible(someone who says they are a Christian but doesn't understand what Christianity is all about) and says "see,this is how screwed up the Bible is" and what they are argueing isn't even what the Bible said about said topic.

So yes,when the truth is scued and misrepresented and told by liars to be the truth then it is a lie. Did that thoroughly confuse you?

@Celestial_Teapot - If you pulled down your pants, grabbed your ankles and witnessed 250,000 people staring up your dirty ass hole, how many people witnessed your dirty asshole?

Take your time. This was not a trick question.

@Celestial_Teapot - Bah, your example is better than mine. I was going to say that suicide bombers go out into the world regularly, fully willing to die for the religion, which, as a follower of Christianity, believing your way is the only way, you would obviously classify as a lie. So dying for the lie of one's religion isn't particularly special, or unheard of. It happens basically all the time. 

@Lost_In_Reverie - When was the last time a group of young Baptist men flew jet liners into NYC skyscrapers or do anything more violent then leer at some young hotties while Pastors Sherlock & Watson where looking the other way?

@Celestial_Teapot  that might work for followers but these guys saw it all they  did not hear it form someone else. If they lied they were con men not religious zealots
Why would a con man die for a lie when by renouncing the lie he can live?

@Lost_In_Reverie - Its not good at all, I am talking about the men who claimed they saw Jesus resurrected and accepted death before they would renounce that "lie". Why would a con man die rather that admit that he had lied? 

@PrisonerxOfxLove - Funny how atheists will not accept the 100,000,000++ murders of communism as their own acting badly, even though they are the only atheist governments to have ever existed. But they try to lump Muslims with Christians as all just the same thing

@PrisonerxOfxLove - Maybe the next time I'm in the area, I'll drop by 2262 and tell you myself.

A few decades ago, US News and World Report (not a Christian mag) did a story about the resurrection of Jesus. They concluded the same thing. We might be a little sketchy on some of the details, but

 happened because these men, Jesus' followers, were hiding in fear for their lives and denying they were Jesus' disciples. Shortly after the resurrection, they were standing up boldly to the same men they previously feared and dying for their faith in Christ.

Much has been presented as evidence about the life, death and resurrection of Christ.  It is the whole school of apologetics and books like "Evidence Which Demands a Verdict."

 According to the gospel of John, though, Jesus told Nicodemus that belief in Him (and thereby entrance into the Kingdom of God) can only happen by being 'born again" or "born from above."  In other words the real witness of consequence is the Spirit of God Himself witnessing to an individual, human spirit.  Those of us who have believed just "know that we know that we know."  And those who don't just don't, regardless of all the earthly evidence.

@trunthepaige - And they make is sound SO scandalous for Christians to do what every other people on earth has ever done:  protect their culture from invaders.

Jesus was and still is the greatest truth ever told. That said, I believe in the Trinity, and so the truth is quite obvious for me.

@Celestial_Teapot -  Tell us, were you able to solve the math problem of the 250,000 witnesses?  I tried to make the problem relevant to you by stating it in language you can understand.

Here's another hint:  you can solve it without calculus or algebra.

@Celestial_Teapot - As a sleaze bag Democrat operative I'm sure you can track down anyone you wish to destroy. 

But the question is have you tracked down supermodel Denise? She's much more interesting than I am.

@JerusalemHill - If you check the New Testament, the only evidence used in arguing for the resurrection is that there were eyewitnesses of Christ's post-resurrection appearances.  The apostles never appealed to the empty tomb, from what is in the New Testament.