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Friday, October 12, 2012

RE: Libya is Obama a fool or a liar

 

 

 

Sept. 9: The State Department receives credible information that American missions might be targeted in Libya, according to senior U.S. diplomatic sources. However, no warnings are given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown," under which movement is severely restricted (London Independent, Sept. 14).

A senior Pentagon source confirms to EIR that the White House and the CIA received a detailed warning of a pending attack from both the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency. The reports were detailed enough to identify the Ansar al-Sharia group as being directly involved in the planned attacks. The source notes that the DIA had recently boosted its human intelligence unit and had operatives on the ground around the world, and that the NSA was monitoring relevant global communications traffic.

Sept. 10: Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian emir of al-Qaeda, releases his annual message on the eve of 9/11/2001, calling for attacks on Americans, especially in Libya, in retribution for the drone murder of senior Libyan al-Qaeda operative Abu Yahya al-Libi on June 4, 2012.

August-early September: According to a hand-written journal belonging to Ambassador Stevens, found on the floor of the Benghazi compound by CNN, Stevens was worried about "the never-ending security threats" that he was facing in Benghazi, and specifically "the rise in Islamic extremism" and "growing al-Qaeda presence in Libya," and "being on an al-Qaeda hit list." CNN reporters were deployed to corroborate the reports in the diary, which was given to his family.

Sept. 11: Ambassador Stevens and three other U.S. personnel at the Benghazi compound are murdered in the course of an armed assault. Details of exactly what happened are still unclear.

What is known is that there were no Marines stationed outside or inside the consulate. The security, according to many sources, consisted of three guards from the Libyan 17th of February Brigade, and five unarmed Libyans employed by the British Blue Mountain Group. The Daily Beast's Eli Lake, Sept. 21, reported on a U.S. intelligence intercept of a communication between a pro-al-Qaeda politician and the 17th of February Brigade, in which "the Libyan politician apparently asks an officer in the brigade to have his men stand down for a pending attack—another piece of evidence implying the violence was planned in advance."

The attackers, according to some eyewitnesses, numbered as many as 125, and used rocket-propelled grenades and other heavy weapons. There are numerous reports of complicity between the attackers and the security detail, and the suspicious fact that the attackers knew the location of the safehouse to which those who survived the initial assault retreated, as well as the precise location of the Ambassador.

Sept. 12: EIR received a briefing from a high-level Washington source who reported, from a Libyan source, that the attack on the compound had nothing to do with a demonstration against the movie, and that Benghazi was known to be a hot-bed of jihadi activity, including the fact that there are two members of Ansar al-Sharia, the group suspected in the attack, on the Public Safety Committee which oversees the city.

Sept. 14: Sen. Susan Collins (R-Me.), Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, posts a blistering statement on her website:

"During the past two days, I have participated in classified briefings by the National Counterterrorism Center and the Department of Defense on the attacks on our consulate in Benghazi during which four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, were killed.

"The lack of security provided to the Ambassador and other American personnel in Benghazi is deeply troubling and inexplicable given the dangerous threat environment in that city. Earlier attempts in June to reportedly attack the British ambassador and to plant a bomb outside of our consulate clearly demonstrated how dangerous and unsettled Benghazi is. Surely, the State Department should not have relied on Libyan nationals to guard the consulate. Rather, armed U.S. Marines should have been assigned to provide security.

"The kind of weapons used by the attackers also strongly suggests to me that this attack was planned and not the result of a spontaneous protest...."

Sept. 15-16: Libyan President Mohamed Magarief tells al-Jazeera and the CBS TV show "Face the Nation" that "the way these perpetrators acted and moved, and their choosing the specific date for this so-called demonstration, leaves us with no doubt that this was pre-planned, determined.... It was planned, definitely. It was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago. And they were planning this criminal act since their arrival."

Sept. 15: On the same day the Libyan President is insisting that the attack on the consulate was preplanned, UN Ambassador Susan Rice is sent onto several Sunday TV talk shows to proclaim that the attack in Benghazi was the result of a demonstration against the anti-Islam film "Innocence of Muslims." This line continues to be spouted by Administration spokesmen until testimony by Homeland Security's director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Matthew Olsen, on Sept. 19.

Sept. 17: A Libyan security guard, hired by Blue Mountain Group, is reported in the London Daily Telegraph to have said that there were no demonstrators at the time of the attack. Several other eyewitnesses subsequently declared that there never was a protest demonstration outside the Benghazi compound.

Sept. 19: CNN's Anderson Cooper reports that "a source familiar with Ambassador Christopher Stevens' thinking said that in the months before his death, he talked about being worried about the above threats to his life." He follows this up the next night with the fuller story of Ambassador Stevens' security concerns.

Sept. 26: Sens. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) demand that the State Department release relevant correspondence from Ambassador Stevens on the security situation, in the run-up to the deadly events of Sept. 11.

Sept. 28: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper issues a statement taking responsibility for the initial misassessment that the attack that killed Ambassador Stevens was the outcome of a demonstration gone amok, and claims that "subsequent evaluation" has confirmed it to be a terrorist attack.

Sept. 30: In a statement posted on his website, Senator Corker says that the State Department continues "deafening silence" in response to his requests, and those of other Senators, for information on what led to the terrorist attack on the Benghazi consulate.

 

The Obama administration stated over and over again (all while attacking Romney for being right) that all this was a spontaneous riot over a youtube video that just happened to fall on 9-11. They had no reason to believe that at all.

Knowing all this would you say The Obama administration is made up of fools or are they liars?

 

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Posted 10/11/2012 4:32 PM by Aloysius_son Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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But... Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened! That negates this, right!?!?!?! #illogic

Posted 10/11/2012 4:38 PM by Garistotle Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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If Muslims kill people on September 11th, most normal Americans think terrorism.  The White House thinks movie.  Yes, they're either stupid or lying.

Posted 10/11/2012 4:39 PM by monobeam - recommend - reply

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I listen to Hannity and Fatbaugh when I am out riding around and they are going Ape Shit over this and honestly for the life of me I don't get it and I think again the right wing proves they are simply insane.

I really don't get it. What is the message of the right wing propagandists like yourself?

Obama is what? Or better yet what was his motivation or gain from all of this?

In the case of Iraq, one would say Halliburton's stock was x and then after y. Cheeny the Ex CEO did this that and the other...thus the motivation.

You guys are just crazed monkees throwing you own poo...

Posted 10/11/2012 4:40 PM by tendollar4ways - recommend (1) - reply

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I don't even have to read all that to know: BOTH. 

Posted 10/11/2012 4:41 PM by mtngirlsouth Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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I believe all politicians are fools and liars.  Look at Bush.  We went to WAR over false pretenses...

Posted 10/11/2012 4:42 PM by davidian Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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@davidian - Yes he did but his inaccurate info was believed to be true by everyone all sources said it was true. As apposed to this one which no one believed no one said it was about a youtube vid. that was simply made up

Posted 10/11/2012 5:04 PM by trunthepaige Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend (1) - reply

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@Garistotle -  but that is not true at all, so are you a 9-11 Truther?

Posted 10/11/2012 5:04 PM by trunthepaige Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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@tendollar4ways - the message is Obama lied then lied some more. No one ever believed that the attack in Libya (on 9-11) had anything to do with a youtube video. They knew that was not true when they said it 

Posted 10/11/2012 5:14 PM by trunthepaige Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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I've been studying Plato and Aristotle this week and according to them there is no difference between a liar and a fool.

Posted 10/11/2012 5:12 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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@PrisonerxOfxLove - its a good point few liars are as clever as they think they are

Posted 10/11/2012 5:14 PM by trunthepaige Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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@davidian - Every intelligence agency in the world had hard evidence that Saddam had WMD.  Through simple reason we can conclude that he moved them out of the country.

Colin Powell gave a tour de force explanation of WMD in Iraq to the UN.  It was televised.  And Bush waited 14 months before he attacked.

Whereas, Bush was thorough, legal, inclusive, respectful and open in his Iraq undertaking, Obama has been lax, lawless, disrespectful and underhanded in his Libyan cover-up.

There simply is no comparison between the professionalism of the Bush Administration and the amateurish bungling of the Obama Regime.

Posted 10/11/2012 5:20 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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@trunthepaige - Wisdom and ethical behavior are virtues (excellence).  Foolishness and dishonesty are intellectual and moral vices that result from forsaking justice or the pursuit of the common good.

Posted 10/11/2012 5:30 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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Even if I grant that the obama administration lied or was incompetent (I honestly don't know which) what exactly is the end result?  At worst they were just down-playing something because of an election with no real world consequences.  A politician was not 100% honest with the facts.  I can cite countless times romney's lied right off the top of my head.  He lies every week.  Bush lied to justify an entire war where hundreds of thousands of people actually died.

Does any of that anger you?

Posted 10/11/2012 5:46 PM by agnophilo Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@trunthepaige - Not at all... Hashtag in my comment says it all about the rest of the comment: The denial of Obama's prior knowledge of these attacks simply isn't logical, especially since the people who will deny it are the same who say Bush DID know. 

Posted 10/11/2012 5:48 PM by Garistotle Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@agnophilo - No what is the point of honesty anyway, its not like terrorism is at all an important issue in this world when we have the defunding of Big Bird to worry about. Just do whatever it takes to win an election

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@Garistotle - Oh hashtags I am still getting used to them

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If security was "internally" compromised (that the security detail had leaked information of the ambassador's whereabouts and safehouse) then there could have been more deaths and still the ambassador would have died.


If the Obama administration strengthened the security perimeter of the Ambassador then that would signal less confidence with the new Libya government. BTW the aftermath has allowed the Libyan government to lessen the amount of armed groups within that country.
The need to know media world quickly worked to seek answers. Government officials often don't release information quickly because of lots of security reasons. Ms Rice was allowing information to be set out and because that information conflicts with newer information you think that what could be done differently????? The What iffs vs hindsight is speculation which means what? Terrorists exists and Libya was a dangerous place, however I have hopes that Libya will be less of a hotbed for terrorists in the future.
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@PPhilip - Please everyone knew that this was a terrorist attack and not a protest there was no secret to keep. And even if that were true, there was never good reason to make up a lie that conveniently was used to attack Romney as being a lose canon. When in fact Romney was simply stating a fact and doing it well before anyone knew that anyone had died. There is not doubt that leaving the ambassador without security was a mistake so trying to defend that is simply stupid. Comes a time to say that was a bad move. There were only 40 men in the attack well armed but only 40., The ambassador could have been easily defended

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@trunthepaige - That's lovely, but could you answer my yes or no question?

Posted 10/11/2012 6:18 PM by agnophilo Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@PrisonerxOfxLove - He moved them out??  You have evidence of that?  Where is this evidence that you speak of and why has it NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED? 

Colin Powell put his credibility on the line on behalf of beating the war drums and circumstantial information.  He has since backed away from his explanation to the UN.  He has stated this.

Professionalism?  The professionalism of the Bush Administration did not yield any results and just added 2 very expensive wars to the national deficit.  THE REPUBLICANS are responsible for much of the deficit spending.  What have we gained as a country from these two wars?  It was Obama who caught Bin Laden.

Those are the facts.  But that doesn't mean Obama should win re-election.  His drone diplomacy is hideous and hidden from the American public.

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The GOP has been waiting and dreaming for a 9/11 moment under this administration's watch so they could rub it in Obama's face.  This one was a tragedy, to be sure, but it was

nowhere near

THE 9/11.  But I guess you guys needed

something

, right?

Posted 10/11/2012 6:23 PM by coolmonkey - recommend - reply

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@davidian - Let's use reason.  If every intelligence agency said that Saddam had WMD and Saddam had actually used WMD on his own people and then all of a sudden there are no WDM, what do you think happened?

Can you reasonably blame their disappearance on George Bush?  It is tin foil hat lunacy to think George Bush was lying about WMD.  Yet that is what the Democrat Party would have us all believe.

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@coolmonkey - Actually it was Democrat Bill Clinton who was jealous that 9/11 happened during George Bush's presidency.

You folks always accuse the GOP of doing exactly what you do.
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@davidian - There was not one scandal during the 8 years of the George Bush presidency. Contrast that with the nonstop scandals under Clinton and the utter catastrophe of the Obama Regime.

The Fast and Furious, and Libyan scandals are hallmarks of Obama incompetence, dishonesty and callous disregard for our nation, America.

Bush liberated 50,000,000 people from psychotic mass murdering thugs in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  Any sane person would call that an accomplishment.  

But the Democrat Party doesn't deal in sanity, unfortunately.
Posted 10/11/2012 6:44 PM by PrisonerxOfxLove - recommend - reply

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