July 16, 2011
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Child abuse, genital mutilation & the sick doctors who do it
Yes this is still going on, if anything it has become more common. The practice is not ending it is growing.
So what do you think of a “doctor” at Children’s Hospital Boston, who drugs 10 year old girls, and 12 year old boys. So that they will not mature, until after they are old enough to have their genitalia cut off, and mutilated into something that resembles the opposite sex? Remember “sex change” is not actually possible. You are your sex, all the way down to the cellular level, and nothing can change that.
Instead of a medical procedure for the sexually confused. This looks much more like mutilation and child abuse. All instigated by a warped “doctor” and the sick parents, he has conned into this. A 10 year old, is not in a position to know what she is doing to herself. After 8 years of drugs and hormones, she will have been damaged beyond any repair, both physically and mentally.
This doctor belongs in jail. No taking away a medical license is not good enough. And these kids need some good adoptive parents, because the ones they were born to, are hurting them beyond all hope of a normal life.Here is the story (this sentence is the link) read it and weep, these idiots are serious. Even this news story is supportive.
What the hell is wrong with you people in Boston? Is the rest of the state this shrewd up as well? I am hoping that word of this has not gotten around yet. I hope all hell is about to break loose, when people find out. But something tells me that many people, have become so numb to perversity. That they cannot understand what is so completely evil about this. Do they so fear being labeled backwards and judgmental, that they will just sit watching, as children are mutilated?This is just me, being so judgmental again. I suppose I should just respect the right of people to, warp, mutilate, and shorten the lives of children.
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Boston is liberal. Boston is Kennedy.
Boston doesn’t care.
Doctors get sued for malpractice all the time, why does he still have his license!? A ten or twelve year old child has no idea what they want with their lives, if they really do have gender disorder ir can be treated with therapy until the child is 18. And using cutting as a diagnostic tool? I knew kids who cut because it was cool! Used to be that cutting in puberty was a sign of depression, none of those people were transgendered. What a quack.
@Sake_Tatsuyo - Mostly because his victims may not even know he screwed them up, and if they do figure it out and blame him, it will be 10 years latter long after he is retired
*SMH*
I believe sex changes are wrong…however I’m not going to try stopping an adult who has decided they want one. Notice I said adult. Children, on the other hand, are incapable of making such a life changing decision. Especially when they’re going through such a confusing time as puberty. Children are still developing key mental faculties up to the age of 16 and sometimes beyond, depending on the child. This is why we don’t consider someone an adult until they are 18 because then we are certain they have the ability to make a choice, knowing full well what that entails.
Doing this to children is wrong and unethical.
This is way over ALL of our heads and best left up to those intimately involved.
Looking in, though, 18 seems the best age to make such life altering decisions. But then again, a transgendered child is better than a dead child.
As an educator specializing in psychology, it saddens me to see how many people say that “children do not know what they want”.
They do. You simply need to listen and observe their behavior to know when their actions are evidence for a simple phase in life or if they are truly in need of attention and even assistance. The assistance at this time is a sex change.
18 is an arbitrary number. We simply chose a number when we think maturity and legalities of a person becomes their own responsibility when really, there can be younger people who are more mature than those of an 18 year old.
It saddens me when parents and doctors and even the children are condemned when surely the only reason anyone would go through such an intense procedure is under dire need. These children who have been sex-confused must have went through bullying and depression in extreme cases. This doctor is passionate about accepting children for their differences and is helping them when no one else would.
I wish all people would become educators to really understand how to be accepting of all others. Because when you’re an educator, all you really care about is the well-being of your students. Physical changes are nothing to fret about as long as the child is happy.
@Kara_K - Perhaps my definition of mental stability is outdated, but since when is our solution to adjust reality rather than helping someone deal with it? Do you also agree with the amputation of healthy limbs and the idea that those with multiple personalities should be issued multiple I.D. cards?
This such a complex issue. I think altering a child in this way is shocking and probably wrong, but I do know, as @AncoraImparo - and @Kara_K - say, that transgendered people suffer a lot of mental and emotional anguish that beyond the experience of most of us. I just hope that all who have to deal with this truly search their souls and seek counseling to try to do what is best for the children, before doing something so irreversible.
You know, I definitely don’t think this is as abuseful as you are saying. This is obviously a serious issue because these kids are hurting themselves. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I definitely knew inside that I was happy being a girl, and my sexual preference when I was 10. If you grow up with this, you KNOW what you feel inside. The medication this doctor is using is to stop the puberty process and is reversible, so these children aren’t being forced to make decisions that will affect them forever. You take the kids off the medication, and they start puberty normally. This gives them time to adjust and see if its what they really want, and if they feel better. Transgenderism is an issue, and many times those people are extremely depressed, so why make them grow up through this torturous time, only to face the same issues when they are adults…to have to start over? Not to mention these parents want what is best for their child, and I doubt any of these decisions are made on a whim, so I believe its unfair to judge these parents for making difficult decisions to help stop their children from trying to kill and mutilate their bodies. What is normal about a little boy cutting and mutilating his penis? Nothing, so why not be proactive in giving him help?
Messed up people will always want to mess themselves up more. There is certainly an ethical problem for any doctor that thinks this is ok. hmm…
@AncoraImparo - Sorry but no this is child abuse there is zero reason to think this is a good idea. Many adults in the middle of sex change procedures change their minds. These are children and far more likely to change their minds than an adult. In the meantime these hormones are increasing there chances of getting Cancer
@Kara_K - No wonder you are hiding who you are. No one in their right mind would want you anywhere near their child
@lonelywanderer2 - This is not a two sided issue the procedure is irreversible and sexuality is fluid in many people even adults. This is child abuse there is no other side to it.
@wildchildofthebluemoon - ok read above think about it these parents and doctors are making this decision for these children. At that age you do what your parents encourage you to do. and this can not be undone when they grow up.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be a dinosaur.
@The_ATM - not old enough to take an aspire without adult supervision, but permanently mutating their bodies and risking Cancer is not problem it seems. 10 is old enough for that
@lanney - That would be awesome! Multiple I.D cards. Lol
@bluepillorredpill - what I feel too. I feel like this is way over my head.
Can you write about anything without spinning it to fit your preconceived opinions? Seriously. When i began to read what you wrote, i pictured something completely different than what the article was actually about. That’s the degree to which you spun this story.
As for my opinion- If the kids develop normally when they’re in puberty, then they won’t be able to change convincingly later on. And that might be something they regret for the rest of their lives. It probably will be if they really are transgendered. Plus, these seem to be kids that are hurting themselves because of the gender that they are. So if it’s certain that they’re transgendered, then i see no problem with giving them those drugs. And that appears to be the case. Wildchildofthebluemoon gave an excellent response, and your reaction to it was to suggest that the parents are encouraging the kids to be transgendered. Please. You believe that the parents are encouraging those kids to adopt the opposite gender role? And that they manipulate their kids to hurt themselves for having the gender that they do? And that the therapists and doctors are either in on it or duped? That’s a ridiculous suggestion. It’s an attempt to wave off her response with BS.
If you’re against it, then be against it. But don’t BS it or spin it.
@wildchildofthebluemoon - As a parent, you do your best to help your child overcome whatever difficult time they’re going through…without giving into tantrums or fits of manipulation. I know many young teens who with raging puberty hormones threatened to kill themselves if their parents didn’t do this, or that. They cut and their parents got them into a program to help them overcome the depression and destructive tendencies. Now that they’re older, they’ve calmed down and are more rational. But just because a teen has depression, bipolar, or is suicidal doesn’t mean that giving them a sex change is the solution. What happens if once they hit adulthood they become suicidal because they have an “OMG what did I do!” moment because of the sex change? You’re not doing your child a favor by giving into their destructive behavior. If they’re suicidal and depressed…then you be there for them. You love and accept them. You get them help. You get them meds. If they still want a sex change when they’re 18, then they can do it then. But puberty is not the time to do it, period.
@zoetherat - Sorry but my take was dead accurate the artificial was trying to give it a good spin. But there is no good spin on this. We are talking about permanently altering the bodies of 10 years olds. Once puberty is stopped your cant restart it at 18 years old. The child can not change its mind and expect to be at all normal. And if the hormones give them cancer which they can do.. they die
@Kara_K - Of course a parent is supposed to listen to the cares and wants of their child. But not everything a child wants is beneficial or good for them. That is where the mental faculties and judgment calls piece comes in. As someone in the psychology field, you should understand that better than anyone else. What if my child is depressed because I won’t let them go hang out with an 18+ crowd when they’re 13 and they threaten to kill themselves? Or what if they threaten to run away because I won’t give them alcohol or drugs? Do you suggest I start letting them hang out with partying adults? Do you suggest I give them drugs and alcohol? You can’t just cave in to any want simply because the child/teen wants it or threatens to harm themselves or does harm themselves. You love them, accept them, get them help and support. But you don’t just go about giving them such a life altering surgery like a sex change. They can make an informed decision about that once they’re eighteen.
@firetyger - Me thinks Xanga has been taken over by freaks, I so shocked at the support this gets here now. In the real world finding one person who thinks this is good is so hard to do. The last time I touched this story, 3 people supported it out of 60, the rest thought these people needed jail time
@firetyger - What they all avoid is that at 10 years old this medical mutilation is not the child’s idea they are being talked into it. At 10 they have no concept of gender alteration surgery
@firetyger - These children are were not only given counseling and psychologically observed, but they were also given psychological observations as well as counseling before, during, and after the procedure to ensure mental stability.
Yes, I have looked into this and know of this.
You should also read my post again. Of course you don’t give in to what kids want. This is why I said you need to observe whether this is a phase or not and psychologist do this before children are operated on. I written it above that a phase can simply pass and can be recognized. However, multiple, multiple psychologists observe these children and these children are killing themselves even after treatment of all sorts then there is nothing wrong with presenting them another solution when everything has been tried and there HAS been careful and extreme care for the conditions of the children.
@trunthepaige - “No wonder you are hiding who you are. No one in their right mind would want you anywhere near their child.“
I am not posting this anonymously out of
hiding (I am actually surprised you wanted to check out my profile). I
was actually just looking through the articles while out of my account
and wanted to reply while my thoughts were in my head. I tried my best
to be sincere as well as provide arguments out of faith that you would
reply in the same manner. I understand that this is a controversial
topic and maybe it is close to your heart. Whatever
anger you hold against me I’ll simply shrug it off in hopes that if we
truly met in real life, you would have seen how great an educator I am
and couldn’t imagine me to be the image of a horrible person you have
come up with. This is usually the case. Unfortunately I doubt we will
ever meet and so your image of me will forever be out of a moment of
anger rather than or rational which I had hoped it would have started.
Because if it was out of rationality than emotion, we would have had an
intelligent exchanging of arguments with the intention to be sincere
because of our compassion to make the world to be a better place. I was really giving my two cents, but I doubt you read anything passed “I agree with the article.”
Perhaps my definition of mental stability is
outdated, but since when is our solution to adjust reality rather than
helping someone deal with it? Do you also agree with the amputation of
healthy limbs and the idea that those with multiple personalities should
be issued multiple I.D. cards?“
There is nothing wrong with adjusting reality. By
adjusting reality we have saved lives, created cities and homes, as well
as begun to understand a world beyond on our own. Whenever it comes to
science or even changing nature everyone is always against it, even if
it saves lives. This not only saves lives but betters the lives of young
children. Do I also agree with the amputation of healthy limbs? Why yes I do.
People do it all the time, getting rid of moles or extra fingers and
toes. But the issue we’re talking about goes beyond that or mechanics,
it goes off of identity. And if the person who is in danger of suicide
or is not living a quality life even after counseling and psychiatric
care, with consent from parents and extreme observation and care,
operations for sex change I believe is acceptable. The Multiple Personality Situation…really has
nothing to do with the topic at hand. The only similar feature of the
situations were the psychological defects. However, you should know that
those with multiple personality are not searching for identity nor is
there solution for their problems except medication. One of the constant things in life is change.
@trunthepaige - To say that the doctor “drugs” children, without elaborating, gives the wrong impression. What you write gives the impression that he drugs them against their will, so that he can hold them against their will, so that he can force them to lose their genitals. In reality, these are kids that are transexual, with doctors and therapists trying to carefully do what’s in their best interest. You can agree with it or disagree with it, but don’t try to present it as something it’s not. This is the kind of propaganda you do on a regular basis. Remember when you made the thread about how most atheists are male, you wrote “why do atheists hate women”? When you disagree with something, you spin it as much as you can to present it in the most negative light possible. I think we all spin to some extent, but you take it further than most. You take it as far as you can.
Now, why don’t you reply to wildchild’s response honestly. You’ve already given a BS response about parents, therapists, and doctors out to force children into wanting sex changes. So if you have something better than that, why don’t you present it.
I didn’t follow the link but from what you typed it sounds like a doctor is helping perform sex change procedures on young children.
Wtf? What the hell is wrong with the doctor and what kind of parent allows such a young child to make such a big choice? Are people that stupid?
@trunthepaige - Just think… if these kids have parents that can’t see through this and really think they have a “transgendered” child, the kid is pretty much screwed anyway. Probably the same kind of parents that try to sue McDonalds for making food her child demands to eat all of the time.
@zoetherat - Oh please these drugs screw these kids up forever and 10 years old is to young to decide that you need to mutilated. I pray you do not have children and never plan on it
@Lyrical_L - Look you are wrong the kids are only 10 years old and the effects of these treatments are not know beyond the fact that their physical development is destroyed my them. These kids are being used as test subjects. But now that you’re not hiding, I will be nicer and let it go. I made my case
@MangoWOW - Thank you my faith is humanity is being restored. And if you read it you would find that you are spot on. Lot of excuses about transgenders having a rough time, as if these treatments would help that at all
@Lyrical_L - So how long do you wait to see if it’s a phase? I started going through a phase of wearing all black when I was ten. It lasted a couple of years. Then I was basically done with wearing it all the time. What happens then? From what I’ve read, these kids are basically just being used as experiments. The psychiatrists can claim that all the considerations have been made…but those in psychology once used methods of shock treatment and lobotomy too because they thought that all other options had been used up. Something this drastic can only be decided by the person it is occurring to when they’re an adult with an adult mind. Cognitive reasoning is everything. A ten year child does not have that.
I don’t know why you think you’re an authority to speak on this. I don’t know why I thought this post was going to be about real, legitimate genital mutilation.
Yes, some people regret sex-changes, which is awful and unfortunate and why it’s something that should be thought seriously in depth about before continuing with it. No, that does not mean it is wrong to want to be physically changed into who you are. I know multiple people who are, in fact, trans gender. They know exactly who they are, and have for literally as long as they can remember. If a child has already started to go through puberty, they do generally go through therapy before deciding seriously whether or not to start hormone therapy, which comes before any surgical procedures. Some don’t even get the procedures done. Some people only go as far as dressing as their “preferred” (aka, usual, real, mental/emotional, etc.) gender. And there need to be more professionals in the medical field supporting people going through a hard enough time because of those with this point of view.
@Lyrical_L@zoetherat - - I’ve read your conversations/posts, and I’d just like to say thank you for having such a rational, informed perspective. =]
@AncoraImparo - the problem with waiting until they’re adults to become who they makes it more difficult to reverse the effects of puberty. and you’re right, it is better than a dead child.
@RealistFantasies This.
Lol, you sound like you either A) didn’t read the articles or B) did read them and just chose to re-word them yourself, in a completely different light.
I don’t need to comment much else, everyone’s got all the bases covered here. But I am completely against your opinion; hooray for transgendered rights, and for Boston (because living in Massachusetts, a liberal state, is AWESOME) and A SPECIAL HOORAH to doctors and therapists who take the time to analyze children and help them seek their identities, in a professional, safe sand *careful* manner!
@firetyger - Wearing black is a phase. There are no harms to wearing black and you showed no negative effects to it. However, these children are cutting themselves. Not only are they cutting themselves, but these children (and their parents) have sought psychiatric help before going to these sex treatments. Not only did they seek psychiatric help, but they go through extensive evaluations.
When adults go through sex change, they actually have to go through several years of psychological evaluations before they are actually accepted for the operation. The observations and evaluations are just as extensive. And yes, they are used as experiments but out of their own free will.
A lot of people are experimented on to better science and its service (like cancer patients).
Even if children are experimented on, they are:
1) Tried every option possible or available
2) First evaluated extensively
3) Observed before, during, and after the process
4) Given the choice and made sure that this is not a phase
5) Given the procedure through safe dosage and operations.
Yes the procedure cannot be undone and this will change the course of their lives forever BUT this has already been taken into very careful consideration through the process. These are highly trained doctors and psychiatrists who know and understand not only the dangers of the procedures but also the development of child mentally and physically.
Your connection to lobotomy is actually not a great example of this procedure because lobotomy was not a sought out cure nor was it used on children. The patients did not seek out lobotomy nor could they express any choice otherwise, the doctor had the only say.
These children and their parents have a choice, and they know the risks. The doctors know the risks, but they also know the benefits and the safety procedures to ensure the safety of the child and their development.
@trunthepaige - Their physical development is not destroyed. Although there would be physical changes (like they will not grow as tall as predicted before), it is because the effects are for their intended gender or sex.
A male wants to be a female and therefore won’t grow as tall as originally planned. It’s because females are smaller. It’s as simple as that. BUT it’s also what he wants. It will keep him from living an unhappy life of suicide, depression, and lack of acceptance and identity.
There is also the fact that reproduction systems could be lost. Well, they also put that into account when evaluating children. If children still want to reproduce, then they say no and tell the parents and the children that the procedure is not right for them.
Again, these are extensive, dangerous, but effective procedures. These doctors and psychiatrist who went to school for nearly a decade and worked for decades more know what they are doing and understand what is needed for every treatment they provide.
As doctors and psychiatrist, their only concern is to make the person’s life better in the long-term and this is one of the answers.
These kids are not being used.
They know what’s going on. These doctors do whatever it takes to make sure these kids know and understand what is happening through the evaluations, observations, and discussions. To say that kids at the age of ten are unaware of their own lives and choices is a naive statement as there are actually many 10 year olds whose maturity goes beyond that of a teenagers.
@RealistFantasies - This is an important issue that needs to be taken rationally. Thank you for sharing your appreciation. It helps me to know that being rational has not left me unheard simply because I am not being emotional to the point of insults and cathartic venting.
Yep. The people doing this thing we don’t agree with are all sociopaths or mentally ill.
@NikBv - Wow you are becoming a idiot
@MassiveVortex - What the hell I am suppose to agree with the articals that 10 years olds should be mutilated because their parents think is ts is a good idea and a doctor wants to use them as test subjests
@Lyrical_L - in other words their normal physical development is damaged irreparably. The decision made by a doctor who has no medial studies and little evidence to prove this is not harmful and a set of odd set of parents has now changed their bodies in a way that can not be undone. Under the assumption that these children would never change their minds (they know it all at 10 years old). All despite the fact that adult transgenders ofter do change their minds in the beginning and middle of these procedures
@RealistFantasies - Ok did you notice that this articular was about stopping puberty in 10 years old? The damage from doing that can not be undone. They can not change their mind after that. Doing that to a child is mutilating them. The first link was about a full on sex change operation on a child of 10 years old. I would say the removal of genitalia is without a doubt mutilation
@trunthepaige - You keep repeating this over and over, that they are stopping puberty in a 10 year old and the damage cannot be undone. However, the article itself states that stopping puberty is reversible. Temporarily halting puberty is not new, they do it for children with precocious puberty. The article states the gender-reversing hormone therapy is not done until at least the age of 16, not 10. And they don’t have sex reassignment surgery until at least age 18 – an adult.
Why should a kid have to grow up suffering? You can say it’s wrong because you happen to be born in the body you’re supposed to have. But what of the millions of boys every year born in girl’s bodies and girls born in boy’s bodies? Many of them would be forced to commit suicide if not for the work of the good Dr. Speck.
@Melissa___Dawn - The article is wrong growth stops at a certain age they will never be normally developed. Is that really news to you? As to precocious puberty they only treat for it one to two years. Give these drugs until the natural growth cycle has ended and you are causing real problems
@SKANLYN - I love you
@trunthepaige - So now we are to believe you, because you’re a medical doctor and the article is wrong? You’ve just blatantly admitted you are spinning what the article says to fit your beliefs, and while doctors can be wrong I think most people would rather believe the doctors and scientists over just anyone with a blog. According to the article the drugs given to inhibit puberty are stopped around age 16 unless the person has decided to continue on with sex reassignment. Humans complete the growth cycle between the ages of 18 and 20.
@trunthepaige -
“In other words their normal physical development is damaged irreparably.” Irreparably, no. And if it is damaged, it is because the children and parents understand the effects and want the change/damage. It may be a damage to their original sexual development but it is the beginning of the sexual development desired.
The decision made by a doctor who has no
medial studies and little evidence to prove this is not harmful and a
set of odd set of parents has now changed their bodies in a way that can
not be undone.
Now you’re just repeating your previous statement saying that changes in the body are irreparable or cannot be undone. The only difference in this statement is the “Doctors” and the “Parents”.
Doctors do have medical students and evidence to prove that it is harmful without the precautions and constant evaluations that they provide. With the help of the doctors these operations can be done and successful. Truly, you need to have new arguments.
Parents have already tried everything and care for their children to consider this operation. They go so far as to go through every step of precaution to ensure their children’s safety. Before doing this operation, these parents have sought psychiatric help, sought medication, and psychological observation, as well as medical consultation. These parents do not go to these doctors as their first choice because they know how serious the procedure is.
Honestly, there is nothing you have against these doctors except your judgment. Which is fine with me. What I do not like is how you’re trying to come up with arguments to fit your judgment.
Again, as I repeatedly said, these doctors have experience, knowledge, and hopes for these children. They know what to do and have taken all precautions to ensure the success for these procedures. They do not experiment on children without the children’s psychiatric background, constant evaluation, and consultation with the child and parent.
Again, these parents have done everything good parents would do. They sought out psychiatrist as well as every assistance necessary. However, these children are continuing to be suicidal and are in need of these operations.
Under the assumption that these children
would never change their minds (they know it all at 10 years old). All
despite the fact that adult transgenders ofter do change their minds in
the beginning and middle of these procedures
These children are under constant observation and evaluation and the operation and procedure can be stopped. Studying educational psychology, learning about children’s developmental growth mentally and physically (as these doctors and psychologists have learned constantly in their field of study), they know when a child can make a decision on their own, children have a sense of autonomy at a young age where the difference between a phase and truly made choice can be observed.
@NikBv - Oh Paige. Love you too!
@Lyrical_L - @Melissa___Dawn - You amaze me. So you two would both be in favor of massive treatments of testosterone or estrogen in an experimental effort to set a child sexually in line with their chromosomes? I assume you must think that would be a good experiment as well. What the hell they are just children what better test subjects.
@trunthepaige - Actually, I never once stated my position on this issue, I simply took issue with the fact that you are not a medical doctor and that you are twisting the words of the article to say what you want it to say, not what it actually says. However, if a child is not sexually in line with their chromosomes then they are not normal as you would say. If we can do something to help them be normal and sexually aligned with their chromosomes and it therefore prevents them from self-harm and suicide, yeah, I think I could live with saving a child’s life. None of them are getting a sex change at age 10, none of them are taking gender-reversing hormones at age 10. What they are offering is temporarily arresting the development of puberty (which is reversible) so as to make it easier if the teenager decides a sex change is the right way to go. And none of this is being done on just any child – it’s being done on children who are already to the point of self-harm because they believe they are the wrong gender. They are undergoing intense psychological monitoring and testing to ensure they are making the right decision. And none of them are getting sex reassignment surgery until they are 18, which is the legal age of adulthood.
@trunthepaige - I can’t even reply to your comment, not because of your typos, but because you can’t defend yourself because you keep repeating yourself in the same, disturbingly ignorant manner. I still stand by my opinion that you didn’t read the articles, because the children aren’t “test subjects” (especially when the puberty-halting hormones have already been tested) and parents want the best for their children, so why would they let them do something potentially dangerous? Maybe you can say that parents won’t know much about medicine, but they do know A LOT about their children, and I’m sure a good parent would be able to tell if their child is going through a tomboy or feminine phase versus whether they are actually transgendered.
Puberty-halting hormones aren’t just used for this, it’s been used in the past for children who deal with precocious puberty (when they begin puberty much too early, so early that their bodies physically can’t handle the changes), and it’s worked wonders. Children as young as 6 have taken this because they’ve started to experience changes that should be happening in a pre-teen or a young teenager, and once they are of age and once they come off the drug, they resume puberty normally. You should probably research what you’re trying to slander, or maybe you should know a little something (Google is your friend) before you call good doctors and morally stable people “quacks” and abusive.
@Melissa___Dawn - SO you are under the impression that it is possible to stop physical development until 18 and still be able toy reverse what you done and left normal. (In that you are sadly mistaken) The fact that the effects of doing this are not known, you think of that as justified because of a very hypothetical risk of suicide. All based on the word of one doctor with no medical research to back up anything he is doing. But at least you were consistent, you would use children as test subjects to keep them happy with the bodies they were born with as well. Me I think messing with a child’s physical development when you have no testing to prove what you are doing will not have honorable results is a bad idea ether way. It is child abuse
@MassiveVortex - You are to much of a fool to deal with those drugs are untested for long term use and you can not have normal developmental after your natural growth cycle ended. Believe what you will fools are common enough. It not your foolishness that hurt those children it their own stupid parents
@trunthepaige - I hesitated to comment here in the first place because it seems once you’ve made up your mind no amount of FACTS can change it. You are NOT a medical doctor or a research scientist – all you know about this issue is that you read one article about it and didn’t agree with the choices the parents/children/doctors made. As stated above by @MassiveVortex - these drugs have been tested, for many years. Over 15 years ago I worked for a children’s specialty hospital that dealt with issues such as precocious puberty and they were using those drugs back then. They do know the long-term effects, the drugs have been tested, they are not new, only the reason for using them in this case is new and that does not effect how the drugs work. These drugs are not being tested on children, they have already been tested and proven to work. It is hardly based on the word of one doctor since the drugs were tested many, many years ago. And 10-year-old children who are already cutting themselves and attempting suicide is hardly a “very hypothetical” situation.
First of all, Boston is a good city, don’t judge it because of an article you’ve read… This doctor has based his medical opinion on years of research… Research that has proven positive results… Dr. Spack talks to the parents and the children… I’d rather my child not harm him/herself than have a messed up life. It appears that these children are predestined to be whatever sex shows dominant… Let them be that. Whatever it takes for their happiness. If Hormones, and drugs that delay puberty is a solution, why not?
On a separate note, I believe Dr. Spack was my pediatrician if my memory serves me correct — good to see he’s still around… No I’m not transgendered and I was a very healthy boy under his care.
Beware the words of the Professional Ideological Spindoctrinator Savant. Or PISS for short.
Think back, really hard, I knew I was straight probably around the age of 10, yeah, 3rd or 4th grade… when did you figure it out? I knew I was a boy and should have been a boy around that time, too. I felt very comfortable with myself. Now imagine you did not… how would you react? My personal doctrine is Freedom of Choice. If the parents are cool with it, it’s cool with me. Why? It’s their kid. They know their child better than I do, better than you do, too. If they think it’s for the best and the child wants to go through with it. Why not? Do you disagree, of course you do. So vehemently, in fact, that you’ve posted about it. And I applaud you for that. It’s your blog. And you’re USING IT! Freedom of Choice In Action!
High Fives All Around!
@trunthepaige - It’s not damage, it’s correction. Their bodies are being made to go on the path of the correct gender for them. And the article is about stopping puberty because it will have negative emotional/mental effects and will cause more harm than good. Why is it you think it’s your place to decide what medical professionals are allowed to do because you don’t agree with it? If your child was trans gender, I fail to see how therapy and repression would help. It would just mean more surgeries and hormones when they are over the age of 18.
@trunthepaige - Asking questions in a rhetorical sense is not a form of reason or argument. It is simply a repetitive action in hopes of drilling the idea deeper, although it’s not very effective.
If you are truly asking the question, then the heavy connotation you have placed for each word has no evidence or argument to back it up.
You continually say that these children are text subjects or experiments with the heavy connotation that these treatments are being done against their will. These children and their parents are seeking out these treatments. Yes, if I must answer your question. Yes I am for these treatments with these arguments in mind:
1) These children, their parents, and theirs doctors are taking in the safest precautions and go through extensive evaluations, observations, and procedures.
2) These doctors are experienced and knowledgeable in their field as well the psychiatrist helping the children through the procedure.
3) The parents have tried every other possible solution such as seeking therapy, psychiatric help, and other medication before coming to this solution.
4) This procedure not only save lives but also enrich the life of a child throughout.
If your responses are simply questions or cathartic venting in the form of sarcasm, I will not be responding anymore. These type of responses would be evidence that you are not interested in actually enlightening yourself nor interested in actually enlightening me. These type of responses would be evidence that you are only interested in showing that you are somehow smarter or wiser than me even though you provided no true arguments based on the evidence that you provided, every response is poorly written with grammatical and structural errors, and that you have not countered any of my arguments provided.
If this is so, as I suspected in the beginning from your heated unreasonable insults, I will let you continue to be immature, unintelligent, and rude.
Paige, I honestly don’t know what I would do if I had a little boy who hated his life because he felt like a girl. If he… begged me every single morning to wear a dress, cried at school due to constant teasing. If he was alienated, shamed, and suicidal at 8 years. I can’t imagine how hard that would be.
You wrote a cold entry here about a mutilating, evil, doctor who shouldn’t be practicing. Why don’t you research what, exactly, a kiddo goes through? Or, write from the perspective of a struggling family who has exhausted ALL resources.
Why?
Because you don’t give a shit
. You lack empathy. If your son was transgendered you’d shove GI Joes in his face and call it a day.
@AncoraImparo - At ten you say they used all resources. Have they considered just teaching the child that there is nothing wrong with being a feminine boy or a masculine girl? And the way we dress is a social construct it is not part of some inner self. You’re saying that a child can not grow and change into anything other than what a parent thinks they are now. Are you also saying that a feminine male or a masculine female has no place in this world? So we can’t wait unit they grow up and become old enough to make their own decisions? That they need to have their bodies changed by their parents? That decision should not be left up to them, when they are old enough to make it?
@AncoraImparo - Thank you. I wish many people could empathize more for the people who are suffering than scold and judge them because those who are suffering go against the tradition, doctrine, or beliefs that are outdated.
@trunthepaige - I hope I am right to in my assumption that AncoraImparo believes that there is nothing wrong with a feminine male or a masculine female, and that they do have a place in the world.
What she IS saying is that the parents have already tried this approach. They have already approached psychiatrist and doctors and therapist. They have already tried helping their children become more accepting of their sex and conflicted gender. They have already tried!
And yes, we are waiting for them to be old enough to make their own decision because children can make their own decision at that young age.
So yes again, your rhetorical questions have presented no new arguments. However, again, if they are not rhetorical I will repeatedly answer your questions again.
At ten you say they used all resources?
Yes. Not only at ten, but within several years, these parents and doctors have sought out every resource available and have taken every precaution available for this procedure. Unlike you who have studied very little on child development or growth as well as child psychology, these people have the background and experience.
Have
they considered just teaching the child that there is nothing wrong with
being a feminine boy or a masculine girl?
Yes they have. This would be considered a solution that they have tried before anything else. This would have be seen through evaluation and observation to see if the child truly needs the operation. If not, the child is let go because this was a successful approach. However, if this approach does not work for the child and the child continues suicidal attempts than this approach is not the solution. These doctors and psychiatrist would know this because of their background and experience.
You’re saying that a
child can not grow and change into anything other than what a parent
thinks they are now.
The parent only does this for the child. The child wants this. The parents support it.
Are you also saying that a feminine male or a
masculine female has no place in this world?
No, they do have a place in the world. What we are saying is that boys who want to change into girls should have the right to make that change if they have gone through all available resources and option as well as evaluations and observations. It’s good to see that you are accepting of feminine males and masculine females.
So we can’t wait unit they
grow up and become old enough to make their own decisions?
They are at the age where they can make their own autonomous decisions.
That they
need to have their bodies changed by their parents?
No, not by parents but by professionals. And again their parents are not forcing them to. They kids want to. You should actually choose your arguments because their conflicting one another.
The first argument you make is that children are not old enough to make their own decisions.
But then your next argument is that the parents and doctors are experimenting on these children without their consent.
If you are backing up your second argument, then the first argument is omitted.
That decision should
not be left up to them, when they are old enough to make it?
How is this a question?
I have a little understanding about homosexuality but I know nothing about transgender. I appreciate the news for those people that can contribute to the solution of what is apparently a problem. For those with better understanding it is good this is out in the open. Thanks for posting.
@Lyrical_L - Your assumptions are correct. I wish that there was a special place for feminine boys and masculine boys. Ohhhh, so so much. Angelina Jolie’s little girl (what, like, 5?) is getting negative attention because she wanted to wear boys swimming trunks and clothes. Last year, another 5 year old wore a girl’s scooby doo costume on Halloween and he was ostracized by children and his mother was given an earful by the rest of the “classroom mothers”.
To Paige:
Lyrical summed up pretty well. I simply can’t know the decisions I would make in that position.
And I don’t know who should make that decision, either.
But certainly not you. Not someone who views this complex, delicate issue so unemotionally and so coldly. These are people’s lives. Families, suffering.
All I sense from you is: “kill the demon doctors” & “Death to liberal heathens”
Have some consideration.
@zoetherat - Would you like to write a blog entry on this subject defending this procedure? I will put it on my site and treat it fairly?
@trunthepaige has already defended the issue as many others have. Writing another blog is not necessary.
You should just treat fairly here and now with all the responses. You haven’t done so yet. We’re all still waiting.
@trunthepaige - There’s not much left to add.
@zoetherat - not many read it but ok
@Kara_K -
“…. it saddens me to see how many people say that “children do not know what they want”.
They do. You simply need to listen and observe their behavior to know when their actions are evidence for a simple phase in life or if they are truly in need of attention and even assistance. The assistance at this time is a sex change.“
Really? So, if a 12 year old thinks she is in love with a 15 year old, should we just stand back and let them marry? After all, that would not be as permanent as a sex change operation and hormone therapy would be. Actually, on second thought, you are correct that children know what they want. What they actually NEED is a different story. Giving a child what they want hardly prepares them for this world they will inherit, and if you are a professional, no wonder we are getting so messed up in this society……….if pros are peddling advice such as this!