August 27, 2012
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things some people really believe
- Republicans are Homophobic,racist,over religious hypocrites,sexist,anti-abortion,anti-freedom gun trotting assholes.
- All Republicans are white lower to middle class undereducated persons from the south,meaning a majority of them range from stupid to stupider
- Republicans hate other peoples religion and try to stop them from practicing it and not letting people have freedom of speech unless they approve of it.
All you need to know is that Obama is doing good. Just do not look outside of your hole in the ground if you really believe that
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Also, penises. Lots of them. EVERYWHERE. DESTROYING WOMEN.
@RazielV - Not to lower the level of discussion too much, but I find them to be good things
Considering a Plank in the GOP Platform is no abortion at any time for any reason….one would be kinda stupid to not believe Republicans are Anti-abortion.
I wonder why we don’t just vote now. I find it hard to fathom there are still undecided ppl out there, adding up to a margin that could affect the outcome.
I can’t personally remember a more unilaterally divided time in my history.
@trunthepaige - I WILL NOW THROW MY HISSY FIT IN 3… 2… 1…
#2 is only half accurate. In addition to uneducated poor white trash (UPWT), the GOP also includes greedy, white elitists who are unwilling to pay their fair of taxes and who use the UPWTs as their pawns (this is what the Tea Party is all about). The UPWT’s carry out all their dirty work, such as blowing up abortion clinics, bullying homosexuals ’til they committ suicide, and political assasinations (remember Jared Lee Loughner?)
@tendollar4ways - As in anti death yes they are.
@SKANLYN - I knew I left something out
@IntoTheWind1 - Its pretty ugly with Obama not running on his own record its 99% negative
At this point, whatever people believe is either based in reality or party MSM talking points. The latter minds cannot and will not be changed.
Been missing your blogs! Hope you get to blogging more!!!!!
One benefit to being on the road all the time: I’m not seeing the ads.
We should have picked Newt. Yeah, I said it. Romney/ Ryan just doesn’t do it for me, but again “getting the best you can, at the cost of perfection”
@IntoTheWind1 - I like Ryan
As do I. Can we kick Mitt off the ticket, add Rubio and win this?
well, I believe in strange things too.
I don’t pay attention to the entertainment.
just seems like mccain/palin ver 2
@IntoTheWind1 - I would love that ticket
@tendollar4ways - It’s easy to be anti-abortion when pregnancy isn’t a possibilty. Given that all Republicans are closet homosexuals (Larry Craig anyone?), they tend to be a little out of touch with the trials and tribulations of heterosexual life.
@Colorsofthenight - Smart of you
Right?
If only…
@SKANLYN - other than the fact that its basicaly only republicans and emigrants who have babies
@tendollar4ways - Yeah, you were on @skidmarkskivvies site hallucinating that hurricane Isaac would wipe out the GOP convention just so you could mock Republicans with Isaac being the wrath of God.
What a shame that it made an unprecedented 90 degree turn to starboard (that’s a left turn to all you filthy rich, always drunk SoCal golfers.
Now it looks like it’s going to turn into another Katrina and wipe out Louisiana and Mississippi again. I can’t wait for you guys to start ranting and raving about George Bush.
If blaming God doesn’t work, there is always George Bush.
If Obama was a white president, would you still have treated him as a pinata?
i don’t need to have stereotypes about conservatives or Republicans in order to disagree with them or think they’re nuts.
@trunthepaige - They have their babies the Tom Cruise way – adoption or spunking into a Petri dish. The only thing a Republican hates more than black people is vagina. That’s why they’ve declared war on women.
Can liberal atheists be blamed if your religion places you in untenable positions where you have to basically deny your own mind in order to keep believing things that everyone else knows is BS?
Is it our fault that you can’t understand civil rights? What liberal forces you to carry a gun, or wage wars that trash the economy so you can steal wealth from other countries to split up with your rich friends. Who hates women in this country, the liberals who want them to have the power to make their own health decisions, or republicans who want women back in the dark ages barefoot and preggers.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - God Loves California and He loves Golfers. That is why we have Sun 350 days out of the year.
More than likely God was golfing and after a few too many he pulled his shot of Isaac which was headed towards Tampa but hooked Left. I hear he hit a 1 Iron. Everyone knows even God cannot hit a 1 iron.
The Bright side is it will hit Mississippi. That place needs a shower anyways.
@RazielV - My penis could do for some destruction of women.
@tendollar4ways - If God loved California, it wouldn’t have Jerry Brown.
Democrats are over-educated, idealistic, racist snobs who rely on votes by illegal immigrants and disadvantaged minorities to retain their ridiculous party standing. They retain such votes by brainwashing these groups into believing they are hated by whites and are incapable of achieving success on their own without affirmative action and similar bizarrely racist legislation designed to cripple them and make them dependent on these parasitic cronies. Of course this type of unethical propaganda is only afforded to blacks, hispanics, and american indians; not to eastern asians or Jews, who are also racial minorities but they thrive, not having been disabled by Democratic propaganda. Democrats like to tell the government to keep its laws off their bodies, but don’t mind coercing the government to stick its greasy hands deep in the pockets of those who are well off.
Because somehow once you have a certain amount of money, it doesn’t belong to you anymore. If that doesn’t scream of imposing one’s religion/dogma onto society, I DON’T KNOW WHAT DOES.
President Obama is the greatest president of all times.
I blame Bush.
@RulerofMasons - It must be racism
@TheTheologiansCafe - And racism
@DrummingMediocrity - The problem is that your is not satirical and 70% spot on
Your thoughts on the “war on women”?
@flapper_femme_fatale - You are about the worst that way. your hate is rather none thought out. As if it were bred into you at a young age
@DrummingMediocrity - Because somehow once you have a certain
amount of money, it doesn’t belong to you anymore. If that doesn’t
scream of imposing one’s religion/dogma onto society, I DON’T KNOW WHAT
DOES.
Which is why RMoney pays a lower tax rate than me? Also…this explains why Jews and Asians tend to vote Dem as well.
Repubs are completely outta your minds!
@RulerofMasons - Did they do it to Bush?
I rest my case…and for the record, yes, yes I would because I degree with….pretty much everything except the equal pay thing.
@SlackerSociety - It never existed but if it does it would be easiest to find it with those who heavily support the porn industry and its necessary byproduct sex slavery
Ironically enough, Republicans are by far the greater educated of Americans. It is the followers of Democrats who are gap-toothed, cousin-marrying morons who barely finished Grade 1. Liberalism exists thanks to such morons.
@Semper_medusa - You ‘degree’, do you? *ROTFLMAO* I rest my case. This is too easy.
@tendollar4ways - Are you so stupid as to believe Romney pays a lower tax rate than you? *ROTFLMAO* Liberal propaganda seems to be doing its job, I see.
@SlackerSociety - Ever seen the power women have these days? They need only cry out ‘he raped me’, even if you were in another country at the time, and you will find your life destroyed. We lost the war long ago, thanks to liberalism.
@tendollar4ways - you are a liar you do not pay a average of 15% unless you make a lot more than i think you do all by yourslef. and you certainly do not lower your tax rate by way of charitable giving. What is you gross adjusted income? i will do the math for you.
And I do pay more than Romney on my adjusted gross but no where near what he pays in total. I have earn income and do not make a lot from dividends. Dividends being money that has already been taxed at the corporate rate over 30% before he gets it and its taxed again at 15%. Wow the rich sure get richer that way
@trunthepaige - i don’t hate conservatives. i just disagree with their policies, particularly on social issues. likability doesn’t make up for fundamental disagreements.
now, conservatives on the other hand… you guys seem pretty filled with hate and rage for people like me. why? because i disagree with you? because i see the world differently? because i’m too educated to be conservative?
@flapper_femme_fatale - We get along but you honestly think conservatives are not as good a people as liberals. You have not one thing to back that up with but you say it a lot. It called bigotry
I really just hate them both.
The difference between the two is that Liberals are willing to overlook the basic components of freedom and privatization in order to get a few laws passed, while conservatives are so deep seated in “tradition” and so unwilling to adapt to a ever changing demographic and economic climate that they are willing to sabotage everything to make things stay the same, including their own liberties and freedoms that are the pillars of their ideology. They also are so focused on the nullification of a third party it seems, so that if you wanted to choose, you have to do it on your own devices. I wish there were some policies that came ala carte with politicians, because once you vote for one, you get bundled with all their shit once you elect them.
@Outdoor_Furniture_Design - Wow you live in a fantasy world get help. I understand rights far better than you do and I understand liberal beliefs and philosophy and do it without trying to make all liberals delusional like you are for believing such things. There is a logic to your philosophy though I really doubt you ever think logically yourself. Wake up enter realty, you are not in it
Why would I lie about that? Whatever…believe whatever you want…it is the Right Wing way.
@SlackerSociety - You hit something conservatives are very reality based. And tradition based. We know that no third party has ever won a national election or even come close. We have watched as the socialists have never won anything really but kept working in the Democratic party and slowly got most of what they wanted. it took years but they are winning, by not being such true believers that they vote only for the pure and are willing to gain nothing to do it. No they win a by getting the best they can every time.
@tendollar4ways - Ok sure all you needed to do was tell me your gross ajusted income. My thinks you need to look up the tax rates before doing that so you do not make a fool of yourself and say something stupid like $60,000 or $70,000 or
@tendollar4ways - The reason you would lie is that you do not know your total tax rate. All you needed to do is say what you make. By now you have had a lot of time to look up how make you need to say you make to have a 15% overall tax rate
Something else I’d like to add is that this election is boring. you know who is going to win. also, the candidates are as flat as boards concerning each other in debates.
Obama: Romney is a corporate tool who wants to take away grandma’s healthccare!Romney: Obama is a socialist and wasnt born in the US and is a big government bozo.
Let me help you you pay 0% on your first 6000
@trunthepaige - If there coulda been a Thompson/Huckabee ticket against Obama,there never woulda been an Obama Presidency
@CanuckFascist - Hey, give me a break, I was a using smartphone. It has autocorrect.
Lol…I do my own taxes….I know the rate I pay. You are very frustrating to deal with because you simply believe something and this becomes truth. you do it in all things and it is annoying . I promise you I pay more than 13 percent . Rmoneys rate.
@SlackerSociety - Democrat vaginas are already marching the streets of Tampa as their war on women continues… LINK
regardless of what voters think of the republican agenda, many of us are just too concerned to consider another cornholing of the American economy by mitt…
@tendollar4ways - I’m not a Republican.
@trunthepaige - it depends on how you define “good.” one… being “right” and “good” don’t go together. my grandmother is a very good person, but she’s also a moron who thinks Catholics aren’t true Christians. so while she may be good, that doesn’t make her views right.
likewise, while i may think you’re a good person, i think you’re wrong in what you stand for and support. and i don’t see how that’s any different than the way conservatives view liberals.
two… since i believe in relative morality, the only way i judge people’s “goodness” is by whether they practice what they preach. i see plenty of hypocrisy in both liberals and conservatives. but i don’t judge
@tendollar4ways - Guy, Romney pays far more in taxes than you earn in a year, AND his tax rate is higher, FAR higher. Cut the crap.
@SlackerSociety - At least Romney is right about Obama.
As for Grandma’s healthcare, I thought she would pay for her own. Isn’t that what you Americans do? Get healthcare via private health insurance? If this is the case, then how could Romney take away her healthcare? Governments in the US cannot interfere with private corporations.
@flapper_femme_fatale - As I tend to be far better informed than you are, I guess being right can also mean being ignorent in your eyes. Moral goodness has nothing to do with normal politics I do not see myself as better than you. But I do see that your idea of helping others involves the use of tax money (other peoples money) while I tend to see it as something I need to do myslef
@DrummingMediocrity - One needs to not know you very well to not know that. You are basically a liberal leaning libertarian. I would guess most of your votes go democratic, but far from all of them. It would depend on where you live and the candidates that areas puts out
@tendollar4ways - you lie, it would be so easy to tell me what you make and it needs to be a lot to pay over 15%. Are you in the top 10%?
@CanuckFascist - He was cought he knows he playing the top marginal rate vs average game. His average is likely 12% with a 25% top rate. And only that high because he is single and dependentless and not charitable
@tommytones - I would like to have that comment explained?
@trunthepaige - I am a conservative leaning libertarian. I actually posted political quiz results reccently on my blog if you’re interested– I lean 70-something% Republican, about 13% Democrat, and 95% Libertarian. I probably only seem that way because I am an Atheist and a Vegan. Having my money stolen at gunpoint by the government is much more disconcerting to me than squabbles over “social” issues.
@trunthepaige - Excellent comment.
@DrummingMediocrity - Ah, an Anarchist. I absolutely abhor Anarchists.
Money stolen? You prefer not to pay your share of taxes? Oh, right, you are libertarian. As such, you should only pay what you feel like paying for. Anarchism.
@CanuckFascist - I don’t believe in forced redistribution of wealth, which is not interchangeable with those taxes used for protection and resources (i.e. roads) that benefit everyone in the community. I am somewhat Capitalist, but definitely not an Anarchist. Anarchists do not believe in an existing government in any capacity. I find it amusing that people like to draw extreme conclusions, though. It shows a lack of intellectual honesty.
@tommytones - Yet, you have no problems with the ‘cornholing’ of the American economy by spend-mad liberals? Trust me, no one knows more about liberals and their ‘fiscal policies’ than this Canadian.
@DrummingMediocrity - Taxation is not redistribution of wealth, sweetheart.
@DrummingMediocrity - *ROTFLMAO @ ‘intellectual honesty’* Semantics. There is very little difference between libertarianism and anarchism. Ironically, you share many communist views. *smirk*
@CanuckFascist - Those used for welfare certainly are.
@CanuckFascist - Such as?
@DrummingMediocrity - I am willing to bet you are completely and utterly against welfare, yes?
*ROTFLMAO @ the people of Xanga about to see a libertarian eaten for breakfast by a fascist*
@DrummingMediocrity - As for extreme conclusions, I AM extreme. I am, after all, a fascist. We seek order. You, on the other hand, seek disorder. I know libertarians on a personal basis, and I always destroy their arguments.
@DrummingMediocrity - Both libertarians and communists want little or no government at all. Da comrade? I would suggest you look up ‘anarchist-communism’ which is similar to ‘libertarian-communism’. *ROTFLMAO* Spasiba!
LOL….I am willing to bet my next paycheck against yours I am telling the truth.
Bet???
@DrummingMediocrity - I have read your idiotic, not based in reality nonsense….you are just as much a Republican as Paige is.
@CanuckFascist - First of all, you need to chill the fuck out. Let’s try to condense all of your shit into one, maybe two comments, for christsake. Otherwise you just look scatterbrained. Fascism and forced communism(=socialism) are basically the same thing. I do not seek disorder; in fact, I seek the opposite, but in a natural, not forced capacity. This is only realistically possible through laissez-faire capitalism (which in itself is a repetition, but needs to be so as most people’s understanding of capitalism is far from correct today). The overreaching regulations and crony lobbying that goes on between the government and so-called “private” corporations (which don’t sincerely exist in the private capacity anymore) is chaotic and often senseless, most often causing a domino effect of failure, which few people can narrow down correctly as the cause.
I answered your statements I found reasonable. If you start trolling me, which I know you’re apt to do, I will not respond. So please stay respectful if you’d like to continue this discussion.
@trunthepaige - most of what you write are opinions, not facts (example: this post). having different opinions than you doesn’t make me less informed. but please, post some stats or figures that proves my stances on issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, regulation, welfare, or taxation wrong. i’m assuming you have some off the top of your head, since you’re so knowledgeable.
” But I do see that your idea of helping others involves the use of tax money (other peoples money) while I tend to see it as something I need to do myslef”
i prefer the use of tax money because it means:
1) more even distribution of cost2) help with no strings attached or motivations to discriminate3) better regulation and supervision of how that money is used and whether it goes to people who qualify.
and keep in mind, i pay taxes as well. i don’t make demands of anyone that i wouldn’t make of myself.
@tendollar4ways - She admitted as much too.
@tendollar4ways - I have read your incoherent, irreverent hate-mongering of any and all non-Liberal ideas. It is clear to me that people with large cranial vacancies such as yours are incapable of differentiating between Libertarian and Republican ideas, which is why I no longer engage any discussion with you.
@DrummingMediocrity - I do enjoy watching people make the same mistake over and over again. Fascism is not forced communism. This mistake is a result of Soviet rule. Stalin was an aberration, steering the Soviet Union further and further away from true communism. If you wish to see true fascism as it has ever occurred in our lifetime, look no further than Nazi Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. Is it not ironic that both systems created the greatest societies in their respective countries? Fascism turned both countries from poverty-stricken shitholes into the most powerful nations on earth, both militarily and economically.
I should like to remind you it is your beloved laissez-faire capitalism that created the world meltdown recently, with countries still to this very day on the brink of collapse. My own country, if not for our almost-fascist style economy, would have crashed. Your beloved open capitalism resulted in collapsed banks, which I might add are now owned by the State, which is in effect communism. NOt a single Canadian bank required a bailout, thanks to heavy regulations (fascist style). Under libertarianism, I shudder to think what might happen. Rather than be ruled by government, (do you not vote, therefore are not realy ‘ruled’ by them?), you seek to be ruled by the banks, the corporations etc. Your beloved libertarianism would cause rampant disorder in that it will be every man, woman, bank, corporation for itself. Zero control, complete chaos. Is this not what caused the world economic collapse? ‘Let us free business! Let us remove the chains from their ankles!’ Then, the boom was lowered.
Your private corporations are a libertarian’s wet dream. Wealth, created outside of government. Yet, you are screaming against them. You are contradictory. We fascists do not mind corporations, as long as their business benefits the State, and the people who reside within that State. Regulations aplenty, surely however much we would try to keep them to a minimum, but regulations are necessary to keep order, to ensure the benefits outweigh the losses when it comes to the State and the people. We make rules. The bloody corporations better follow them. Get as wealthy as you wish, as long as you pay your fucking taxes, and treat your workers and customers properly, but we will be watching you every step of the way. Fuck with us, and we confiscate your company and sell it off.
I know how you are going to go into a diatribe about how corporations are given tax breaks, even money itself, but that is the fault of your own wonderful capitalist system, nothing more. Capitalism and greed go hand in hand, which is why we fascists would have the upper hand since POWER exceeds even greed.
@CanuckFascist - This is a very long and boring response, no offense. You made many errors, mostly resulting between confusion between corporate/government greed (“Crony capitalism”- a misnomer which is the antithesis of libertarian principles) and Capitalism. If I feel like it when I have time after work tomorrow I will reply with more effort. Thank you for yours.
@DrummingMediocrity - Odd. There is no greater capitalist than a libertarian. As for ‘crony capitalism’, I already covered that. All that is corporations paying government to give them advantage in the marketplace. Crony capitalism is simply capitalism practised via corruption. If you believe said corruption will not happen in a libertarian society, you are in la-la land. Libertarians are no better than anyone else. They are still susceptible to corruption, to greed. If you seek to tell me otherwise, then you need to tell me what it is you are smoking. You are therefore suggesting there would be no corporations in a libertarian society. If so, that is a lovely dream. I have discussed with libertarians their dream of a society made up of many small businesses, which I found amusing.
Libertarians are people who wish to go on about their business without government interference. Anarchists feel the same way
*ROTFLMAO @ my ‘errors’* Nice deflection darling. I am right. You know it. I know it. Everyone else here knows it.
@DrummingMediocrity - I am well aware of the Republican v Libertarian rift. They are really the same thing though. Libertarians are the nerdy, semi-rational red headed step children of the Republicans. The Conservative Christians are their favored sons cuz they do what they are told and don’t question. Libertarians think a little bit here and there but they are of the same cloth as the religionists. They get upitty from time to time cuz well the BS the Repubs feed them is bs.
This is why Ron Pauls delegates have been relegated to the Nose Bleed Seats.
@CanuckFascist - Again, I only read some of your comment, but I would like to respond to one key point. Crony capitalism only exists where the government has enough power to exercise it– more power than most Libertarians/TRUE Capitalists believe it should have.
I apologize again for not going through all of it yet.
@CanuckFascist - Libertarians are atheist cultists. They speak of a utopian world that will come when ,for lack of a better analogy,Jesus comes back…ie…we get rid of government.
They are outta their friggin minds…or republicans who know how to read.
@tendollar4ways - I rest my case.
@DrummingMediocrity - You only seem that way because sadly I only noticed where we disagree. But I could easily see you were a libertarian
@DrummingMediocrity - We’ll go into it further tommorrow, I do hope. I despise libertarians, perhaps with one exception today. *ROTFLMAO*
@tendollar4ways - Actually, a lot of libertarians are religious. Their religion to me is irrelevant. It is their ideology I have a problem with. As a fascist, I seek to see both religion and libertarian ideology crushed under the jackboot of order. BOTH ideals reek of chaos and disorder.
@trunthepaige - You mean she is selfish? *ROTFLMAO* Libertarians and Anarchists (hard for me to separate the two) are the most selfish beings on the face of this earth. Everything is all about them. Their neighbour gets sick and cannot work, libertarians/anarchists exhort ‘who the fuck cares? Not my problem!’ Their own mothers get sick, yet they cannot afford her care. ‘Let the old bitch bat crone die. I don’t give a fuck’.
@CanuckFascist - What is funny is that fascism is actual a very popular ideology. But no one admits that what they are, even though they agree with all of the traditional fascist party goals
@CanuckFascist - You are correct…Paul Ryan is an Ayn Rand devote who decrys the evils of a powerful central government yet as a Staunch Catholic….how more centralized of a government can you possibly get?
We got some Arch Bishop Vito Cordileone in San Diego who raided the Mass Cabinet and got busted drinking too much Jesus Juice and driving (rumor was he was street racing) amd it goes all the way to the Vatican and the Pope to discipline the dude?
@trunthepaige - Actually, by far the greater majority of people have no clue as to what fascism is. Look at the mistake made by @DrummingMediocrity. She equated fascism with communism. They are in no way alike. She obviously knows nothing about the father of fascism, Benito Mussolini, who would carve her with an icepick if he ever heard her compare his ideology with the communists.
People are afraid to admit they are fascists by ideology (those who properly identity if, that is) because the Western world is OWNED by liberals these days. It is such people who KNOW it is liberalism that is causing the decline and fall of the Western world.
People who despise fascism tend to forget it was destroyed by the combined forces of the free democracies and the communists. Why were they destroyed by those forces? Communism collapsed. The democracies of the West are on their way to doing the same. The fascists of the ’40s were flourishing. Hmm? It was fear, fear of a superior system existing which would change their way of life. Anyone with any modicum of intellect would recall that the singular goal of the Soviet Union was world communism. It is why they joined the democracies, whom they would later seek to destroy. Simply put, there were more of them than there were of us. Numbers game, sweetie.
@tendollar4ways - I have no problem with centralised government. Fascist, remember?
Racist:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/cnn-republican-convention-black-camerawoman.php
White: “For decades, a greater percentage of white voters identified themselves as Democrats, rather than Republicans. However, since the mid-1990s whites have been more likely to self-identify as Republicans than Democrats.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)#Demographics
Educated: “Self-identified Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats to have 4-year college degrees. ”
Homophobic: “Exit polls conducted in 2000, 2004, and 2006 indicate that about one quarter of gay and lesbian Americans voted for the GOP. In recent years, many in the party have opposed same-sex marriage, adoption by same-sex couples, inclusion of sexual orientation in federal hate crimes laws, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, while supporting the use of the don’t ask, don’t tell policy within the military. Some members of the party, particularly in the Northeast and Pacific coast, support civil unions and adoption rights for same-sex couples.[81] The opposition to gay rights largely comes from the socially conservative wing of the party.“http://www.slate.com/id/2091413/
Over religious: “ Since 1980, large majorities of evangelicals have voted Republican; 70–80% voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, and 70% for GOP House candidates in 2006. Jews continue to vote 70–80% Democratic. Democrats have close links with the African American churches, especially the National Baptists, while their historic dominance among Catholic voters has eroded to 54-46 in the 2010 midterms.[72] The main line traditional Protestants (Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians) have dropped to about 55% Republican (in contrast to 75% before 1968). Their church memberships have declined in that time as well as the conservative evangelical churches have grown. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known as Mormons, are overwhelmingly Republican and vote in line with the Christian right - George W. Bush received 89% of the Mormon vote.[83] Bush also received almost 80% of the Muslim vote in the 2000 Presidential election. However, his support among Muslims declined sharply and, by the 2004 election, at least half of those voters supported Democratic candidate John Kerry or a third party candidate”http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/republican-muslims-to-gop-youre-on-thin-ice.php
And as for sexist: a trans vaginal ultrasound is enough to suffice. Do YOU approve of them using such means to “detect” if you need an abortion or not? there is no health reason why they should be doing that, or trying to put it into law.
You may say they aren’t the bad guys, but they are having an awful job of convincing me.
@CanuckFascist -
“If you wish to see true fascism as it has
ever occurred in our lifetime, look no further than Nazi Germany and
Mussolini’s Italy…”
Agreed. The Nazi party, was The National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
“Is it not ironic that both systems created the
greatest societies in their respective countries?”
A system which perpetuates genocide is not ‘great’ in any respect unless an individual is a racist, hate-mongering psychopath.
“Your beloved open capitalism resulted in
collapsed banks, which I might add are now owned by the State, which is
in effect communism. “
Capitalism is a system of allowing individuals to thrive off of each others’ selfishness. Instead of allowing corruption (which is the case in virtually any system where individuals hold surplus amounts of political power) to result, success results instead from this natural human tendency. The banks collapsed because they failed to meet their civic responsibility as respectable businesses do; in other words, they were corrupt, made stupid decisions, and were on the path of rightfully paying for their bad decisions with failure. The natural cycle of capitalism would have allowed new banks which did meet their obligations of appropriate conduct to open and thrive. Instead, greedy politicians kept the failing corporations running, despite their indiscretions, with money taken from the very people they failed without consent. Greedy or not, no politician should have the power to use taxpayer monies as gifts to private industries. It should simply not be an option. Because they do have such power, however, corporate lobbying was a major incentive to give the bailouts. e.g. “If you bail us out, we’ll give this amount of money to your campaign.” It happens all the time.
“Rather than be ruled by government, (do you
not vote, therefore are not realy ‘ruled’ by them?), you seek to be
ruled by the banks, the corporations etc. Your beloved libertarianism
would cause rampant disorder in that it will be every man, woman, bank,
corporation for itself. Zero control, complete chaos.”
I would rather be ruled by my employer, whom I have the right to CHOOSE, as well as the right to disengage from at any time for any reason, rather than a government (who allows the aforementioned corporate greed which rules this socialist economy) whom I don’t have the luxury of disengaging from without severe penalty. Libertarianism would allow smart businesses to thrive, and bad ones to fail; it would create competition which would benefit both consumers and employees. The bar would be upped, and corporations would have to answer to citizens, not get out of their responsibilities via shady alliances with greedy politicians.
“We fascists do not mind corporations, as
long as their business benefits the State, and the people who reside
within that State. “
Businesses which do not appeal to enough people would naturally fail in a capitalistic system due to less consumers=low profits.
“We make rules. The bloody corporations better follow them.”
That’s the thing… YOU don’t make them; bureaucrats who may or may not have admirable intentions do. In a Capitalistic economy, the citizens make the rules via consumerism. Human beings are naturally greedy, especially those with power. To assume those who make the regulations are anything less than greedy is naive.
“I know how you are going to go into a
diatribe about how corporations are given tax breaks, even money itself,
but that is the fault of your own wonderful capitalist system…”
Uh, I definitely would not have gone into such a diatribe and anyone who would is clearly neither a Libertarian or a Capitalist, and especially not an Anarchist. I’m starting to wonder if you genuinely know the difference between the first two and Socialism/Communism. Anyway, Corporations should not be given special tax breaks by politicians, and politicians should not have the power to give those special tax breaks. Politicians also should not have the power to enforce higher taxes to pay for the new bureaucratic agencies they unconstitutionally create. It’s a lose-lose for corporations AND consumers, who don’t get to exercise their buying power.
@CanuckFascist -
“If you believe said corruption will not happen in a libertarian society, you are in la-la land.”
Crony capitalism is only able to exist because politicians have undue access to incredible amounts of taxpayer money. This would not be an option were the politicians not given such power. If you disagree with me, provide an example of how that could happen in such a scenario.
“Libertarians are no better than anyone else. They are still susceptible to corruption, to greed. “
I’m not sure where you got that I claimed moral superiority here. I’m talking about politics, not personal matters. As for your second statement, Capitalists recognize the human tendency towards greed and instead of harboring a few greedy individuals and delivering them undue amounts of power, we seek to allow all motivated individuals the ability to prosper off others greed, instead of becoming victimzed by it.
It’s basic economics. “I have this, you have that. I’d rather give you less of this for that, because of my natural inclination towards selfishness” then the other person responds with his offer or lack thereof, and a bargain ensues, compromising between the buyer and seller’s greed.
“Libertarians are people who wish to go on about their business without government interference. Anarchists feel the same way”
Incorrect. Libertarians are people who believe their rights ends where others’ rights begin. Where there is an infringement upon those rights is where government’s role comes in. Most Libertarians like myself also agree with services which benefit everybody, such as infrastructure and public sewage. Anarchists do not believe in governmental interference on either of those counts.
@CanuckFascist - Both Fascism and Communism involve precedence of the state/collective over the individual, and in practice involves a small, ruling elite. It’s no coincidence you get along so well with the pinko-fascists (har har, I’m being ironic) on this site.
@DrummingMediocrity – Naturally, as a libertarian, you are clearly against any kind of collectivism. I guess you take your garbage to the landfill yourself, no? Paid your own way through school your entire life, did you? Nah, you don’t pay for those police, fire departments etc. Impossible. You are not a collectivist country in any way.
You DO realise that it is only in the way power is organised that communism and fascism are in any way similar? Other than that, there could be no more different system. I could argue the same about your country’s ‘democracy’. Your own people claim your government has too much power, such that THEY determine what is better for your country. Even you have complained about that. Hypocrisy much?
@DrummingMediocrity - Thank you for admitting something I already knew, that libertarians are greedy and selfish. They would make wonderful additions to any society. Well done.
@DrummingMediocrity - Do you even understand why, in some cases, government money goes to some corporations? Do you honestly believe your country’s corporations are the most powerful in the world because they are so ‘efficient’? Do you honestly believe they are competing on their own in this world global economy? As a Canadian, I know this to be false. It is through this infusion of capital via government ‘handouts’ that your businesses are able to compete globally, otherwise they would have gone bankrupt a long time ago. Your Big Three were actually bankrupt until your government handed them money. I would thus agree they should have been allowed to die due to their own greed, their own inability to produce a half-decent car, but they survive today due to those government handouts. Now, picture your ‘mighty’ USA without those Big Three. Millions of jobs lost. Where would these people end up? Ah yes, government cheques via the taxpayer. YOu would be supporting them now, at just as great an expense as if that money had instead gone to the Big Three.
Libertarians do not have a world view. They are very limited in their vision, which is why, if the United States ever became libertarian, I would happily kiss that country goodbye as it dies.
@DrummingMediocrity - YOu speak of a politician’s access to incredible sums of taxpayer monies. Uh, do you not have the ability to remove said politician via election if he/she were to ever do so? Are you not able to have said politician arrested after impeaching him/her? I know for a fact you Americans DO have that power. Do not blame the politician if you cannot practise what you preach. A fascist politician would never do this because he/she would be executed on the spot.
What?! But Obama *IS* doing a good… … …at revoking our basic constitutional rights through bills such as NDAA, prolonging useless wars overseas, and making marijuana laws harsher when he was proud to say he smoked it himself…
@CanuckFascist - Thought you abandoned us long ago, Mr. Fascist.
@CanuckFascist -
“Naturally, as a libertarian, you are clearly
against any kind of collectivism. I guess you take your garbage to the
landfill yourself, no? Paid your own way through school your entire
life, did you? Nah, you don’t pay for those police, fire departments
etc. Impossible.”
No. You either did not read my responses to you or deliberately ignored points where I already addressed this. Quoting my own past response to you:
“Most Libertarians like myself also agree with services which benefit everybody, such as infrastructure and public sewage.“
If you have an actual, valid point either challenging what I’ve already said or a new one I have not already addressed, then go ahead and continue. However, I am not going to restate points like this one which I already made abundantly clear just because you were either too lazy or lacked the ability to comprehend them.
“You DO realise that it is only in the way power is organised that communism and fascism are in any way similar?”
Yes. I only consider them comparable in how they play out in real-life situations, as I already summarized.
@CanuckFascist - I think it’s so cute that you have such a strong opinion about a political movement you don’t even understand.
@bloggicus_maximus – Long ago? I have been here for a few days. Whatever are you talking about?
@CanuckFascist - Your posting style is reminiscent of someone called FascistCanuck, who didn’t last long before he got banned.
@DrummingMediocrity - I also find it amusing I know more libertarians than you do. I own them every time, so much that they refuse to talk any further about their ideology. You are reacting the same way. *ROTFLMAO*
@DrummingMediocrity - Infrastructure and public sewage. *gasp!* But, that’s collectivism! Oh noes!
@bloggicus_maximus - Oh, really? Damn. Was he smart? I’m not getting that much around here.
I mean, I have libertarians who rail against collectivism, then talk about public sewage and infrastructure. The hypocrisy here in Xanga is malignant.
@CanuckFascist - No, he really wasn’t. Spent a bit too much time talking out his ass and insulting everyone who wasn’t a ‘fascist’ like him.
Then again, I’m Italian, so anytime fascism is brought up around me I just sort of cringe.
@DrummingMediocrity – And I think it is cute that you believe you do understand, living in a country which creates so much propaganda against both communism and fascism, such that they have the US sheeple believing everything they say.
You DO realise that, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, much was revealed, where the Americans were lied to by their own government? It’s called PROPAGANDA, sweetheart.
@CanuckFascist - Capitalism *is* the global market. Many corporations are attracted to investments overseas due to much less regulation burden. Never mind competing in the global economy when American businesses can barely compete in this economy with the exorbitant amount of stifling governmental interventions.
“Now, picture your ‘mighty’ USA without those
Big Three. Millions of jobs lost. Where would these people end up? Ah
yes, government cheques via the taxpayer.”
There probably would be a temporary situation like this. But, if the government knocked off the excessive regulations placed on businesses, there would be much more incentive to build new ones. As a result, the plethora of new businesses would attract many new employees, soon many more than were lost.
“Uh, do you not have the ability to remove
said politician via election if he/she were to ever do so? Are you not
able to have said politician arrested after impeaching him/her? I know
for a fact you Americans DO have that power. Do not blame the politician
if you cannot practise what you preach.”
This is a valid point. Unfortunately, there are enough stupid voters to overpower the power of voters like me.
“A fascist politician would never do this because he/she would be executed on the spot.”
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Haha, I don’t think the Gestapo would let that happen.
@bloggicus_maximus – He sounds like an ass.
Why would you be ashamed to be Italian? Under Mussolini, it was a time for Italy to be proud. The only reason the Italian people went against fascism is when they were starting to lose the war. That’s cowardice. Instead of standing up for their leader, the Italian people saw which way the wind was blowing, then killed their own leader. Instead of fighting for their country, they shat their pants, killed Mussolini, then begged the Allies to ‘save’ them. The Nazis, REAL men, swooped in and fought for the sake of a country that wasn’t even theirs. The other embarrassing feature would be the fact the Italian Army got their asses handed to them by the Greeks. Hitler was so pissed off he dispatched of the Greek Army in record time whilst berating Italian fighting capabilities. He was right. Now THAT you should be ashamed of. NOt quite as bad as my 30,000 British forebears owning your 300,000-strong Italian Army in North Africa. Again, Hitler was forced to come to the rescue. Do NOT be ashamed of your country’s choice of ideology, but be ashamed by their inability to fight their way out of a paper bag.
@CanuckFascist - Right, but tax monies used for community services benefit everyone, and therefore do not infringe upon anyone’s rights.
@CanuckFascist - You like to either criticize people for being extremists because they are unwavering in their dogmas, or hypocrites for holding consistency while avoiding dogmatism. I am pretty sure you’re a troll, deliberately saying stupid things for a reaction. I already deal with young children who have behavioral problems at my job. Not doing it on here. If you need attention that badly, go get mommy. There are plenty of psychiatrists who’d love to make money off of you. Though in Canada you probably have to wait in line for a few years to get one.
@CanuckFascist - I’m in no way ashamed of my bloodline. It’s a running joke in Italy now that the only thing Mussolini ever did was make the trains run on time. (Also, there was the whole thing about nobody really liking Benito, but since there was no one else capable of running a government- and Italians being generally nonchalant- nobody really gave a shit.)
So no one actually LIKED fascism, they just didn’t care until they had a legit reason to take out Mussolini. In typical Italian fashion.
(This is all from my great-grandma, who still lives in Rome and likes to make fun of Mussolini, since she saw all of this stuff first hand. Oh, and she mentioned once that there was a pretty strong rumour that Mussolini didn’t even WANT to fight the war, he just saw it as a way not to get his ass kicked by the Reich.)
@DrummingMediocrity - *ROTFLMAO @ a libertarian’s ability to blame a business’s failure on the government* Oh yes, the Big Three failed because of the government. Ever driven an American designed and built car? I have. Never again and a large portion of Canadians say the same thing. I drive a foreign car that puts American cars to shame. Do not blame the government for their failure. Blame their failure on their inability to keep the unions in line. Blame their inefficiency. Blame their shit cars, but do NOT blame the government.
What kind of ‘regulations’ are you whining about that affect the ability of business to compete? Governments do at times hand out money to them, yet those business would have the gall to whine about regulations? Regulations keep order. As I have already stated earlier, your bank have no regulation, which is why they collapse. Canada has the most rigid banking regulations on the planet. Our banks survived unharmed. We are the ONLY COUNTRY who could say this. Not a single government cent went to the banks. Yet they are so heavily regulated and earning record profits. You were saying?
@DrummingMediocrity – And there you have it people. She cannot argue valid points and has thus become derailed. I told you all this would happen. She has already resorted to name-calling.
@CanuckFascist - Honey, the fact that you can’t understand my points and continue retorting back retarded bull shit which I’ve already addressed is the reason I’m finished talking to you. Also, you need to quit spamming Trun’s post. It’s pretty rude. I’ll alert everyone to the new troll in town.
@bloggicus_maximus - No, Mussolini was in love with Hitler. He wanted so much to be like him that he decided to curry favour by going to war. He also wanted to gain new territory for Italy via his wars in Africa. He fought Greece for Hitler as Hitler was preparing to take on the Soviets. Mussolini’s failure probably cost the Nazis the destruction of the Soviet Union by affecting their timeline since Hitler had to reassemble his forces to crush Greece.
@DrummingMediocrity – Ok. Buh bye. Defeat isn’t pretty, is it? I was going to respond to your comments further, but as you are not interested, ta ta.
You’ll alert everyone to the new troll in town. Hmm, an insult and a threat all rolled into one. You see people? This is intellectual inferiority in action. I countered her every post. She was dissatisfied things did not go her way, so now she has decided to have me labelled a ‘troll’. Someone doesn’t like defeat.
Oh, I didn’t realise responding to so many posts was considered ‘spamming’? So, I should refrain from responding to any posts so as not to spam? The IQs in here are frighteningly low.
Paige…I will be in Seattle soon. Can I can swing by and pick up my check? Don’t go all Repub (not raise the debt ceiling) on me and not pay your debts…a bet is a bet.
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@tendollar4ways - did i miss where you even said your income was inthe top 10% so you are rich are you
@trunthepaige - You lost the bet sweetie…I will buy you diner. Wiki says I am in the to 6%
Shitty month last month…250K. have done as much as 500K @ 18% you are in sales…do the math.
@tendollar4ways -
damn rish man you should be paying 75%
@trunthepaige - I am not rich (this isn’t a whole lotta money for Socal) nor Irish. You owe me $$$ … a bet is a bet. I do pay more % wise than Rmoney doe.
Republican platform =/= beliefs of all Republicans. My husband and my best friend both identify as Republicans, and I identify as a democrat/independent….but many of our policy views are the same. They just value different policies more than I do.
We went from losing nearly a million jobs a month to gaining jobs every month post-stimulus. The rate at which healthcare costs are increasing has already begun to slow (they’d more than doubled, massively expanding the deficit by increasing medicare/medicaid costs and dramatically contributing to poverty), the banks are stable, the auto industry is more or less fully recovered, etc, etc. He’s doing a good job in the sense that this guy is doing a good job. There’s nothing the republicans have proposed that would actually solve our problems quicker. You think tax cuts would do it? Obama passed the largest tax cut in history.
@agnophilo - Ok sure just because the percentage of people with full time jobs has hit historic lows lets say yay good job Obama. What a great way to waste a trillion dollars
@trunthepaige - Thanks for completely blowing off everything I said. I don’t get enough of that from conservatives.
@agnophilo - Guy if fewer people are in the work force as the population increases dose a slight increase n the number of jobs, an increase that is smaller than the increase in the population growth qualify as good economic news? and it took over 3 years to see this supposed growth. Growth that really is just a slow down in decrease in the number of Americans with jobs. And lets not get into the replacement of full time jobs, with part time jobs. And the decrease in wadges while inflation increases
@agnophilo - Sorry for blowing you off I was in a hurry
@trunthepaige - “Guy if fewer people are in the work force as
the population increases dose a slight increase n the number of jobs, an
increase that is smaller than the increase in the population growth
qualify as good economic news?”
That’s not how it works – a) nobody who was born in the last four years is looking for work, and b) the people who are looking for work for the first time in the last few years and are unemployed are counted in the unemployment figures. “Unemployed” means you’re looking for work and don’t have a job.
“and it took over 3 years to see this
supposed growth. Growth that really is just a slow down in decrease in
the number of Americans with jobs.”
No unemployment has objectively gone down some, and slowing/stopping the decline is the first strep in reversing the process. Do you think any president could’ve just wished away a stock market crash, housing crisis, near systemwide bank collapse and near auto industry crash happening one after the other? No president has a strategic supply of fairy dust to magically solve our problems. There is no realistic policy proposed by anyone that would’ve done any better than what obama has done, which is to mitigate the damage and go to work fixing big problems that have been building up for a long time like the rising cost of healthcare (double what every other country pays and rising at around 10% a year) which also explodes the deficit and destroys families etc. Fixing this stuff so that when the economy is doing better we will bounce back harder than if we just ignored all the problems building up.
“And lets not get into the replacement
of full time jobs, with part time jobs.”
That’s underemployment, and yes it’s a big problem.
“And the decrease in wadges
while inflation increases”
One thing to do about this to help those most effected is adjust minimum wage to keep up with inflation, which republicans always oppose. Over the bush administration the pay of someone making minimum wage went down 25%, or more than a dollar an hour. Not counting the economic collapse.