October 3, 2012
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The Debates edit drinking game
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It will be very hard for Obama to go into these debates using his campaign’s strategy of. “Okay I admit things suck now, maybe I’m not so great at this, but Romney is Satan’. Romney is so damn moderate he is dull. Trying to paint him as extreme and evil with him sitting there, that would fall on its face. Romney’s campaign’s strategy of trying to say that Obama’s economic and foreign policies have failed. All anyone needs to do is read a newspaper or live on earth? Hell yes they have failed and everyone knows it. Its been four years now and Obama’s party ran the budgets two years before he entered office. Blaming Bush is not going to fly anymore. Maybe on the war but with Obama trying so hard to take credit for killing Osama Bin Laden. You cant be both a hawk and a dove on the same day.
Obama best strategy would be to lie big time (but carefully) and try to bore everyone into not watching the debate.
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Here are some of Obama new taxes on the poor and middle class
Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance – as defined by President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services — must pay an income surtax to the IRS. The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that six million American families will be liable for the tax, and as pointed out by the Associated Press: “Most would be in the middle class.”
1 Adult
2 Adults
3+ Adults
2014
1% AGI/$95
1% AGI/$190
1% AGI/$285
2015
2% AGI/$325
2% AGI/$650
2% AGI/$975
2016 +
2.5% AGI/$695
2.5% AGI/$1390
2.5% AGI/$2085
Yep there he goes taxing the middle class.
But Obama taxes the poor most of all:
Lets talk about the tax called inflation. We see that tax everyday at the gas pumps and the grocery stores. When a nation borrows more than can ever be paid off, you need to lower the value of your money in order to ever pay it off. Or as Obama’s federal reserve chairman calls it “quantitative easing” (Link). Intentionally devaluing your money but not doing it officially.
Inflation is the cruelest tax of all, it hits the poor hardest of all.
Inflation effects the price of food and fuel more than anything else, these are international commodities where the value of the dollar means almost everything. When your dollars are worth less than they were last month, those in the Middle East demand more of them. They are not going to accept your cheapen money as if it were worth the same as it once was. In other words $100 a barrel of oil today is the same as $56.73 a barrel was in 1990. In other words $100 a barrel for oil today is rather cheap so enjoy paying what you are paying for gas. Its is still going to go up, it will not stay down unless the worlds economy stays down. As of right now inflation has started to jump. Yes it is very much due to our monetary policies. Thongs are going get far worse as soon as we get out of this recession. Obama made this mess far worse but the results of it. Well we are doomed to bay for Obama’s failing no matter who is in office. Lets hope Obama in not there to make it worse before he goes The dead housing market is the only thing that is holding the official inflation numbers down today (yes they would be a lot worse). But if you are not buying a new house, rents are higher, gas is higher, food is higher, hell its all higher all while wadges have dropped. We have less money to pay more
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Are you better off today that you were four years ago?
Obama’s goal is to deflect, confuse and bore people on the subject so they stop thinking about the way things are. He can not talk about his record. He needs to just be likable and hope Romney comes across as mean and scary. If he can do that his ads and his extreme support in the media will win this for him.“You may be worse off today than 4 years ago. But you are better off with the devil you know than this evil super devil named Romney”
Comments (79)
These debates will be interesting. Both sides are downplaying their debate skills. I’ll bet that tonight, they will be at each other’s throats like crazy!
If the liberal media would simply report the truth about Obama and his policies instead of lie this wouldn’t even be a contest.It still amazes me how people trust this news media still, when you can see how one sided it is.Yes,Fox can be one sided too,but they DO give both sides.Thing is they give the truth about Obama and it’s 4 against 1,so I’d say they hold their own pretty dang well.
If Obama were to win,who is he going to blame for the economy he inherited?He will still blame Bush somehow and for some reason people will believe it.Makes no sense at all
@jmallory - As both of them are not bad at debates and Romney has at times been great. The downplaying is lets just say disingenuous. I would think Romney would be looking forward to it as he needs it. He needs to be seen as he is. Not evil far far from it. He needs people to be comfortable doing what they know they should do. Change things because they are not working now
@Somefishytales - The forecasts are for international recession. It will be hard on Romney if he wins.
@Somefishytales - Haven’t you seen? The left is already blaming the republicans for being the party of “no” even though they haven’t filibustered. It has been the dems that have filed for cloture time and time again, as well as the dems that failed to pass a budget when they were the majority in the house.
I’m not a huge fan of Romney, but he would at least buy us some time before total economic collapse.
@grim_truth - I love it. The democrats file for cloture over and over again then say the republicans are setting records.
Oct, Nov of 2008 the world was about to end. My sales were shit and our company and the world in general tetered on edge. We are MUCH better off than were were then.
I will be in Washington in a couple of weeks. Can I swing by and pick up my check?
@tendollar4ways - As soon as you send me a copy of you taxes. Your taxes need to be over 14% of your none adjusted gross income. I love it I hope Obama tries that. Its really bad but Bush did it reallu he did. im doing the best humanly possible. Really things are good
@tendollar4ways - I set sales records in 2008.
@tendollar4ways - and many folks are not. Salaries have fallen while costs of essentials have gone up.
@grim_truth - his extreme liberal run state took a dive two years before the rest of the nation. and its not coming out of it anytime soon. He is just used to working in a depressed market. maybe his competition is now out of business
@trunthepaige - I will bring them and show them too you. What is None Adjusted?
@tendollar4ways -
Line 22 on your form 1020
1040? You lost a bet and now ya won’t pay. Typical Conservative.
@tendollar4ways - as I paid moire than 14 last year i do believe you its just that $200,000 is the wadge it normaly takes to pay that much. And lets be fair line 37 on your form 1014
i am better off than 4 years ago. the markets are doing better. and the economy has improved, although much slower than we’d like.
to say ALL of obama’s policies have failed is to misspeak. rather, quite a few of his policies have benefited the country. on the foreign policy side, he did catch bin laden, unwind the iraq war, and the world on the whole appreciates the USA more, plus most foreign leaders would rather see an Obama administration than a Romney administration. hillary clinton has done a great job diplomatically although i would like to see less covert drone attacks from this administration.
You didn’t do well in math did you.
Well if things are going to collapse anyways, then… I’m guessing the poor are in for a treat.
I heard where old what’s-his-name went out on the streets again to ask people who they would vote for in 2012. He asked them things like did they think MCCAIN and PALIN would do better against Obama than they did last election, if they thought that Ryan was good running mate for OBAMA, and if they thought if Obama won this year would he finally find and kill Bin Laden. Not ONE person caught any of that. And I am POSITIVE that the republicans voting for Romney would be just as dumb. People (for the most part) are so stupid they vote for their party and don’t really even know what’s going on.
We’re ALL going to be worse off next year regardless.
Obama and Democrats absolutely hate poor people. It’s kind of surprising that more people can’t see that.
Anyway, I’m not watching the debates. My mind is made up based on what they think about the issues and their track records, which can be read on any of their websites, minus the oratory skills- which may be a big part of what got us into this mess in the first place.
@tendollar4ways - A’s I would say most have no idea what they are paying. And my stuff comes from the IRS so if you want to argue be a fool
@tendollar4ways - its real simple add up all you made its already been on your tax form. now look upo all of the income taxes you own. Only income taxes. What percentage of your total income is the amount of federal income taxes. Do not add state income taxes or any other taxes. Lets not get into your retirement and medical issues.
@WaitingToShrug - Im only watching to see what vast uninformed see if they even bother watching this.
@mtngirlsouth - No they are not as dumb. The totally ignorant and uninterested are more likely to be Democrats. But they also tend to forget to vote or never register. If we had 100% voter turn out the Republicans would never win
@trunthepaige - Hey, if you can do it without getting depressed… go for it! Let us know how it turns out.
@WaitingToShrug - They have no respect for them at all. and only give them peanuts while pouring money into government unions workers who already make 50% more than the private sector
@davidian - The policy that resulted in the “unwind” in the Iraq war, was a policy set by Bush. The SOFA ended. Obama had to follow that policy and pull out. The same would have happened under McCain, barring an extention of the SOFA.
But again, wages have fallen, costs of essentials have risen. That is NOT a sign of a recovering economy. As well as the still high unemployment rates.
@davidian - Obama does have his supporters. If you are doing better i doubt you are in the middle class. The stock market is doing much better comedies are doing wonderfully and financial institutions hit bottom long ago. and Government workers love him so long as they are not in the military
@grim_truth - I think everyone knows that. its just those that would support Obama instructively bring that up. Those who do bring that up tend to be very anti war. In other words “He killed Osama” is not winning Obama any new votes.
@trunthepaige - Maybe so. However, the vast majority still believe what FOX tells them. They rely on unreliable sources for their information. So it still turns out they are uninformed in the end. Which is why I loathe FOX even more than the Communist News Network. At least the liberals never try to hide that they hate everything that made America great and want to destroy it.
@mtngirlsouth - I would say they lie more than anyone by saying they are neutral. So what do you call reliable sources? it seems you eliminated all news sources.
@WaitingToShrug - well you could get a live feed of me and others on twitter?
i’m far better off now than i was four years ago. i have a house, a full-time job, and a college degree.
inflation is a tax? now you’re getting a little desperate, or you need to take an economics course.
@trunthepaige - Lol, I’m holding out against Twitter… I’ve got a facebook, a xanga, and a pinterest… no more social media for me! I’ll just read about it tomorrow.
@WaitingToShrug - wise
@flapper_femme_fatale - When its due to deficit spending and debasing the dollar to pay for it yes it is. inflation is very much a tax when we us it to pay off the debt. Its not desperate at all. its a fact a well known one. did you even take econ 101?
Im happy for you though it really sound like you were in school four years ago starting from zero its hard not to improve. So why are you still sponging off your parent insurance?
@grim_truth - That’s true, but that’s only something that happened under the pressure of Democrats. The winding down of Afghanistan is Obama’s deal.
By definition, a recovering economy is one where real GDP grows. And we have seen minimal GDP growth over the years of the Obama presidency. But let’s be honest now, administrations have little control over how the economy does. Rather, the situation in the economy is dictated by market externalities and global financial markets.
@trunthepaige - Oh believe me, I’m no Obama supporter. I think his drone policies are terrible foreign policy. I make no statement as to what class I’m in as that has nothing to do with the argument at hand. If you look at where the DJIA and the Nasdaq are, we are almost at the highest levels prior to the 2008 crash. This means that markets have never been any higher in history. But why is the spillover not reaching the average American worker? BECAUSE TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK. Cash rich companies and banks are hording money due to financial uncertainty related to the European debt crisis and a slowdown in the Asian economies.
All of this of course has nothing to do with what an American administration can do.
Actually, quite a few military members love him too because he is reducing the amount of servicemen and women overseas. That means we get to be with our families.
But if you must know, full disclosure, I’m a Ron Paul supporter. Romney isn’t going to change anything when he gets into office. He’s just like Obama except slightly right of center instead of being slightly left of center. You want a true conservative, write in Ron Paul’s name.
@davidian - I know a lot of ministry families and see the poling stats on the military. no they do not like obama at all. There is a reason the Republicans try so hard to make sure military members vote and often the Democrats to to disallow militarily votes in close elections. The president can only do so much (unless they have the Congressional power that Obama once had) but they have a lot of regulatory power and he is using it in a job killing fashion. to see a difference compare Canada’s handling of the recession with ours and the results.
@trunthepaige - I eliminate all mainstream media. You have to look for it on the net. The news today is not what it used to be. I like News — RT, http://beforeitsnews.com/, http://www.canadafreepress.com/,http://www.examiner.com/and others.
I know I am cynical. I have just given up on the human race at this point. I see so much evil in this world and I cannot help but think we must be approaching the great tribulation. I can feel it in my bones, the forces of darkness are getting stronger and ready to have their heyday. There is *SO* MUCH deception even in the churches. Every day I see more and more why Jesus said so many times when talking about these days, “Be not deceived.” And it is truly heartbreaking for me, because so many people are willingly ignorant because they have an emotional need to be deceived. And so, when it inevitably all falls apart and they can no longer pretend, they will be so ill prepared for it. And there is nothing I can do. All my attempts are thwarted and met with cruel hostility.
@mtngirlsouth - Its ok I trust no one and read them all. I figure the left checks the right and the right the left. Sort of like the US government factions working to find fault with the other faction tend to keep each other more honest. I would be scared to death is one side ever ran everything
@trunthepaige - I think I paid somewhere around 19K to 20K fed income taxes. I will be by to pick up my check in a few weeks!
@mtngirlsouth -
I see so much evil in this world and I cannot help but think we must be approaching the great tribulation.
So you don’t believe we’re in the middle of the tribulation anymore?
@musterion99 - I swear to you, if you ask me that one more time, I WILL write you off as an idiot.
@trunthepaige - Paige, that is just empty rhetoric. You’re going to have to show me a documented study that Democrats “disallow” military votes… That’s just the rhetoric of the extreme Right: that Democrats and other progressives are “unpatriotic” and hate the “military”. Quite frankly, that’s just not true and leaves the actual debate ill-served. Can’t we agree that both Republicans and Democrats are patriots and love the country and its service members? They just have fundamentally different ways they believe this country should operate. It has nothing to do with patriotism.
The reason why the military tends to be skeptical of Democrats is because they don’t believe in giving them an open checkbook like many neo-Cons do. But neo-Cons aren’t real conservatives. Real conservatism believes in limiting the size and scope of government, and that includes the military which is one of the largest institutions of government.
And I don’t understand why most Conservatives are against cutting the military’s checkbook? The military itself has said it doesn’t need the money and as long as we’re not engaging in two global wars, we should spend money on things that do build the economy like reducing tax burdens, education and infrastructure instead of guns, bombs, and weapons of mass destruction. Make sense?
@davidian - Completely untrue in regards to the SOFA. The US has a SOFA agreement with nearly every nation where we have troops for an extended period of time. SOFA is nothing new. Even if you were correct, one still cannot credit President Obama for it.
I agree with administrations normally having little control over the economy, but the overreaching by this administration has hampered the economy. GM. The biggest lie of this election season. GM still may have survived without a bailout. They only would have had to file reorganization bankruptcy, which would have allowed them to renegotiate the overburdening union contracts, among other things. The overreaching regulations that have been implemented by the various agencies of the gov’t under this administration’s watch have done a lot to hamper true economic growth.
The economy is much more than GDP. It includes employment rates, inflation, etc. All of which the current administration (as well as congress) have miserably failed in controlling.
@grim_truth - Completely misguided with regards to SOFA. The SOFA agreement did not outline the wind down or transfer of security until the Obama Administration outlined it to be transferred completely by 2014 on December 16, 2010. Prior to that, the SOFA made no mention of the wind down of troops.
I agree that bailing out GM was a poor choice, but I supported the bailing out of the financial institutions which Bush was responsible for. There have not been overreaching regulations that hampered true economic growth. Please name the regulations that have been seen to directly hamper economic growth.
From a purely economic standpoint, the metric for measuring the economy is GDP. You can’t debate that. It’s simple fact. You’re talking quality of life and cost of living.
As far as I know, the employment rate has fallen under the current administration. It is not out of control. But instead, still somewhat high. Inflation is also not out of control. The numbers don’t back your claim. If you look at the CPI and PPI over the years of the Obama Administration, we’re much more in danger of deflation. http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/charts/Annual_Inflation/annual_inflation_chart.htm
Here’s the deal, if you guys want to argue that liberals and progressives expand the level of government, fine. Do that. But don’t rhetorically cite facts that aren’t backed up by the data. Instead, talk about how Obamacare will add crippling balances to the deficit. Argue that Obama lacks the leadership to pass a balanced budget, without us heading over the fiscal cliff. Argue that Obama deceives the American public about war by conducting covert drone attacks in many parts of the world while being unwilling to commit American troops. And argue that expanding the government will not lead to the free-market forces that are needed to boost the level of employment in this country.
@tendollar4ways - That might be a problem only because we did not bet an amount. Its sweet finding out that you are in the top 3% of income earners.
@davidian - Inflation is out of control. remember that housing falling has not benefited anyone except those buying houses. and they are few these day. But the massive drop in housing costs is holding down the inflation numbers. On the other hand rent has gone up. What we see as fairly high inflation but not terrible is far worse than it looks when you take out the drop in the cost of houses
@trunthepaige - HUH? We bet paychecks. I will swing by and pick up my winnings!!
@tendollar4ways - For that I will need to certified copy of your taxes. And you one get my weekly check
@tendollar4ways - you going to play the debate drinking game?
Naw..not gonna watch the debates. They would bore me but I will catch the follow up.
Where do I send the returns?
This has been so hyped and I bet it is boring.
@trunthepaige - That’s just simply not true. This is not inflation at play. It’s just market forces. Rent has gone up because market forces have driven up demand in rental markets. Simply put, more people renting means higher rents because there is a limited number of rentals and an expanding pool of renters. This is due to the inability of most people to get a mortgage with the higher down payments/qualifications needed to obtain a mortgage and the fact that home buyers still perceive the housing market as unstable. No one wants to buy a home if home prices will not go up – no one likes losing money. Inflation is measured by CPI and PPI. Both figures which trend downward, despite the government printing free money through QE1 and QE2. Does this set up a hyper-inflationary bubble? Sure. But is it hyper-inflation? No.
did i just hear romney advocate for MORE regulation?? haha.
it wasn’t @TheTheologiansCafe -
I was actually pleasantly surprised by Romney.
There are gonna be a lot of dead people from alcohol poisoning. Trying to drastically lower the population of America there Paige?
@trunthepaige - no, i took macroeconomics. the rate of inflation was worse during the Bush era. in the last four years, it’s slowed down.
envious? to quote Princess Bride, you keep saying this word but i do not think it means what you think it means.
my job does not offer insurance, and an individual policy is around $130/month.
Niether is for the middle class.
what Mitt aims at is widening the employment growth by employing a tactic which will ‘bridge a gap’ between the poor and superwealthy but segregate them and leave them poor/rich. (The ones that have money will get better health benefits and better education and gain the high level job positions and the underserved will remain less educated and low class but more will be employed.) and Barack aims for the poor to gain benefits and educational rights and to knock up the middle class to high class to an overall raise of gross income which will still encumber a medium sector from growing.
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If Obama gets his way I will be paying a couple thousand dollars more in taxes because of his refusal to renew the Bush tax cuts. I call that a tax increase and I don’t make all the much money. Romney was great in last night’s debate. Obama’s deception was revealed and he didn’t know how to deal with it except look at the floor.
@Steve Brad@facebook - Why Steve you stumble upon me all time. So how the Viagra business? Are sales raising to the occasion?
@flapper_femme_fatale - Sure it did as I said subtract houses and replace it rent and see what happens to those numbers.
@flapper_femme_fatale - You mean you do even pay your parents back? $130 will not buy a policy that sounds like its from your job and they will pay most of it. Standard rates are closer to $400. Would hang on to 130 as long as you can its almost free.
@jmallory - @grim_truth - @mtngirlsouth - davidian
I just wondered what you guys saw last night. my new entry says what i saw if you like to put in your 2 cents I would love it. All four of you are very different from me so i would like to hear it, if you have the time. Yes its noted that i did not ask a hard core Obama supporter. I have been reading a lot of what they have to say so its not news to me
@trunthepaige - I actually watched/listened to it today in the hospital on my ipod touch. I actually liked a lot of what Romney said, though I do NOT absolutely NOT trust him, nor has he won me over. (It was funny because I would answer Obama and my kids would ask what I was talking about.) Obama kept on saying that Romney’s approach wouldn’t work – it’s been tried before blah blah blah. Which I thought was rich considering how well his approach has worked for us. I also thought it was funny how Obama kept saying that the seiners would be “at the mercy” of private insurance companies, as if that was worse than being at the mercy of the monopoly of the government. Everything Romney said, Obama tried to twist and half the time was spent by Romney trying to clear up Obama’s version of his policies. Over and over and over. Romney said he wanted to do a voucher system with the medicare, which I like. He also said something about getting the schools a grading system on how well they do for the kids and letting parents decide which school their kids would go to. I like that too. Apparently, Obama does not comprehend what a good thing competition is and also what a bad idea the government monopoly has always been in any government ever.
NEITHER spoke about the NDAA, the patriot act, why the DHS needed to buy so much riot gear, or all those other divisions buying the hollow tip bullets, the coming food crisis or QE3. This is why I do not trust either of them. The whole thing is a show to appease/distract us. They do not care which puppet we choose.
@mtngirlsouth - Sadly those are not issues that will even be talked about. The others issues are real and important enough for me to base a vote on.
Praying for your son. I know he not in danger anymore but this is not fun for any of you
I don’t see what difference it will make if I have a good medicare program, but may at any time be hauled off by the government for saying something they don’t like. Getting to choose which schools my kids go to is also great, but not very important if they are shooting us with hollow tip bullets.
@mtngirlsouth - But voting for never man, gives you both bad schools and hollow tipped bullets
@trunthepaige - I haven’t seen your post yet, but I think that Romney spanked President Obama and sent him to his room. And that is saying a lot, trying not to put my own bias into this.
@jmallory - Considering that you are on the liberal side politically its very meaningful. That is about all i said on that entry. just pointing out that in a debate such as this perception is what its all about
@trunthepaige - Well… I’m actually very very conservative. A very little known fact
Or a misunderstood fact. I just easily see through both sides rather well.
@trunthepaige - I can’t help that. I take my right to vote, and who I vote for way too seriously to be willing to vote for evil guy #1 or evil guy #2. It’s like, “Choose between Hitler or Stalin, or your vote won’t count and you’ll be throwing it away!” The simple fact that they both support the NDAA is reason enough to not vote for either of them. All the men and women who have risked their lives, and given their lives in defense of the Constitution, died for more than that. You see, BOTH these men are enemies of the Constitution. I see any vote for either one of them as a slap in the face of everything I stand for, everything they fought and died for, and essentially, throwing away so much more than just a vote.
Also, voting for the red puppet or blue puppet will also end up with the hollow tip bullets.
@mtngirlsouth - I was thinking, who’s fault is our high national debt? The answer I came up with, is it is a majority of americans who are willing to compromise and vote for either candidate, or are intentionally ignorant of the debt that we have. If people changed either of those two things, we could have a Ron Paul or if we changed it today at least we could have a Gary Johnson.
@jmallory - Might I suggest the term “libertarian” or even better yet, breaking down the labels of “conservative” and “liberal” into the categories of “economics” and “social issues” instead of a single broad label? I don’t fit neatly into the broad categories… because I believe in personal liberty and a conservative fiscal policy.
@radicalramblings - The outer me is a total Libertarian. The inner me knows it’s best to keep Christ as my king. Because of this conviction, I choose to not vote.