October 12, 2012
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RE: Libya is Obama a fool or a liar
Sept. 9: The State Department receives credible information that American missions might be targeted in Libya, according to senior U.S. diplomatic sources. However, no warnings are given for diplomats to go on high alert and “lockdown,” under which movement is severely restricted (London Independent, Sept. 14).
A senior Pentagon source confirms to EIR that the White House and the CIA received a detailed warning of a pending attack from both the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency. The reports were detailed enough to identify the Ansar al-Sharia group as being directly involved in the planned attacks. The source notes that the DIA had recently boosted its human intelligence unit and had operatives on the ground around the world, and that the NSA was monitoring relevant global communications traffic.
Sept. 10: Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian emir of al-Qaeda, releases his annual message on the eve of 9/11/2001, calling for attacks on Americans, especially in Libya, in retribution for the drone murder of senior Libyan al-Qaeda operative Abu Yahya al-Libi on June 4, 2012.
August-early September: According to a hand-written journal belonging to Ambassador Stevens, found on the floor of the Benghazi compound by CNN, Stevens was worried about “the never-ending security threats” that he was facing in Benghazi, and specifically “the rise in Islamic extremism” and “growing al-Qaeda presence in Libya,” and “being on an al-Qaeda hit list.” CNN reporters were deployed to corroborate the reports in the diary, which was given to his family.
Sept. 11: Ambassador Stevens and three other U.S. personnel at the Benghazi compound are murdered in the course of an armed assault. Details of exactly what happened are still unclear.
What is known is that there were no Marines stationed outside or inside the consulate. The security, according to many sources, consisted of three guards from the Libyan 17th of February Brigade, and five unarmed Libyans employed by the British Blue Mountain Group. The Daily Beast’s Eli Lake, Sept. 21, reported on a U.S. intelligence intercept of a communication between a pro-al-Qaeda politician and the 17th of February Brigade, in which “the Libyan politician apparently asks an officer in the brigade to have his men stand down for a pending attack—another piece of evidence implying the violence was planned in advance.”
The attackers, according to some eyewitnesses, numbered as many as 125, and used rocket-propelled grenades and other heavy weapons. There are numerous reports of complicity between the attackers and the security detail, and the suspicious fact that the attackers knew the location of the safehouse to which those who survived the initial assault retreated, as well as the precise location of the Ambassador.
Sept. 12: EIR received a briefing from a high-level Washington source who reported, from a Libyan source, that the attack on the compound had nothing to do with a demonstration against the movie, and that Benghazi was known to be a hot-bed of jihadi activity, including the fact that there are two members of Ansar al-Sharia, the group suspected in the attack, on the Public Safety Committee which oversees the city.
Sept. 14: Sen. Susan Collins (R-Me.), Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, posts a blistering statement on her website:
“During the past two days, I have participated in classified briefings by the National Counterterrorism Center and the Department of Defense on the attacks on our consulate in Benghazi during which four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, were killed.
“The lack of security provided to the Ambassador and other American personnel in Benghazi is deeply troubling and inexplicable given the dangerous threat environment in that city. Earlier attempts in June to reportedly attack the British ambassador and to plant a bomb outside of our consulate clearly demonstrated how dangerous and unsettled Benghazi is. Surely, the State Department should not have relied on Libyan nationals to guard the consulate. Rather, armed U.S. Marines should have been assigned to provide security.
“The kind of weapons used by the attackers also strongly suggests to me that this attack was planned and not the result of a spontaneous protest….”
Sept. 15-16: Libyan President Mohamed Magarief tells al-Jazeera and the CBS TV show “Face the Nation” that “the way these perpetrators acted and moved, and their choosing the specific date for this so-called demonstration, leaves us with no doubt that this was pre-planned, determined…. It was planned, definitely. It was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago. And they were planning this criminal act since their arrival.”
Sept. 15: On the same day the Libyan President is insisting that the attack on the consulate was preplanned, UN Ambassador Susan Rice is sent onto several Sunday TV talk shows to proclaim that the attack in Benghazi was the result of a demonstration against the anti-Islam film “Innocence of Muslims.” This line continues to be spouted by Administration spokesmen until testimony by Homeland Security’s director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Matthew Olsen, on Sept. 19.
Sept. 17: A Libyan security guard, hired by Blue Mountain Group, is reported in the London Daily Telegraph to have said that there were no demonstrators at the time of the attack. Several other eyewitnesses subsequently declared that there never was a protest demonstration outside the Benghazi compound.
Sept. 19: CNN’s Anderson Cooper reports that “a source familiar with Ambassador Christopher Stevens’ thinking said that in the months before his death, he talked about being worried about the above threats to his life.” He follows this up the next night with the fuller story of Ambassador Stevens’ security concerns.
Sept. 26: Sens. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) demand that the State Department release relevant correspondence from Ambassador Stevens on the security situation, in the run-up to the deadly events of Sept. 11.
Sept. 28: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper issues a statement taking responsibility for the initial misassessment that the attack that killed Ambassador Stevens was the outcome of a demonstration gone amok, and claims that “subsequent evaluation” has confirmed it to be a terrorist attack.
Sept. 30: In a statement posted on his website, Senator Corker says that the State Department continues “deafening silence” in response to his requests, and those of other Senators, for information on what led to the terrorist attack on the Benghazi consulate.
The Obama administration stated over and over again (all while attacking Romney for being right) that all this was a spontaneous riot over a youtube video that just happened to fall on 9-11. They had no reason to believe that at all.
Knowing all this would you say The Obama administration is made up of fools or are they liars?
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But… Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened! That negates this, right!?!?!?! #illogic
If Muslims kill people on September 11th, most normal Americans think terrorism. The White House thinks movie. Yes, they’re either stupid or lying.
I listen to Hannity and Fatbaugh when I am out riding around and they are going Ape Shit over this and honestly for the life of me I don’t get it and I think again the right wing proves they are simply insane.
I really don’t get it. What is the message of the right wing propagandists like yourself?
Obama is what? Or better yet what was his motivation or gain from all of this?
In the case of Iraq, one would say Halliburton’s stock was x and then after y. Cheeny the Ex CEO did this that and the other…thus the motivation.
You guys are just crazed monkees throwing you own poo…
I don’t even have to read all that to know: BOTH.
I believe all politicians are fools and liars. Look at Bush. We went to WAR over false pretenses…
@davidian - Yes he did but his inaccurate info was believed to be true by everyone all sources said it was true. As apposed to this one which no one believed no one said it was about a youtube vid. that was simply made up
@Garistotle - but that is not true at all, so are you a 9-11 Truther?
I’ve been studying Plato and Aristotle this week and according to them there is no difference between a liar and a fool.
@tendollar4ways - the message is Obama lied then lied some more. No one ever believed that the attack in Libya (on 9-11) had anything to do with a youtube video. They knew that was not true when they said it
@PrisonerxOfxLove - its a good point few liars are as clever as they think they are
@davidian - Every intelligence agency in the world had hard evidence that Saddam had WMD. Through simple reason we can conclude that he moved them out of the country.
Colin Powell gave a tour de force explanation of WMD in Iraq to the UN. It was televised. And Bush waited 14 months before he attacked.
Whereas, Bush was thorough, legal, inclusive, respectful and open in his Iraq undertaking, Obama has been lax, lawless, disrespectful and underhanded in his Libyan cover-up.
There simply is no comparison between the professionalism of the Bush Administration and the amateurish bungling of the Obama Regime.
@trunthepaige - Wisdom and ethical behavior are virtues (excellence). Foolishness and dishonesty are intellectual and moral vices that result from forsaking justice or the pursuit of the common good.
Even if I grant that the obama administration lied or was incompetent (I honestly don’t know which) what exactly is the end result? At worst they were just down-playing something because of an election with no real world consequences. A politician was not 100% honest with the facts. I can cite countless times romney’s lied right off the top of my head. He lies every week. Bush lied to justify an entire war where hundreds of thousands of people actually died.
Does any of that anger you?
@trunthepaige - Not at all… Hashtag in my comment says it all about the rest of the comment: The denial of Obama’s prior knowledge of these attacks simply isn’t logical, especially since the people who will deny it are the same who say Bush DID know.
@agnophilo - No what is the point of honesty anyway, its not like terrorism is at all an important issue in this world when we have the defunding of Big Bird to worry about. Just do whatever it takes to win an election
@Garistotle - Oh hashtags I am still getting used to them
If security was “internally” compromised (that the security detail had leaked information of the ambassador’s whereabouts and safehouse) then there could have been more deaths and still the ambassador would have died.
If the Obama administration strengthened the security perimeter of the Ambassador then that would signal less confidence with the new Libya government. BTW the aftermath has allowed the Libyan government to lessen the amount of armed groups within that country.
The need to know media world quickly worked to seek answers. Government officials often don’t release information quickly because of lots of security reasons. Ms Rice was allowing information to be set out and because that information conflicts with newer information you think that what could be done differently????? The What iffs vs hindsight is speculation which means what? Terrorists exists and Libya was a dangerous place, however I have hopes that Libya will be less of a hotbed for terrorists in the future.
@PPhilip - Please everyone knew that this was a terrorist attack and not a protest there was no secret to keep. And even if that were true, there was never good reason to make up a lie that conveniently was used to attack Romney as being a lose canon. When in fact Romney was simply stating a fact and doing it well before anyone knew that anyone had died. There is not doubt that leaving the ambassador without security was a mistake so trying to defend that is simply stupid. Comes a time to say that was a bad move. There were only 40 men in the attack well armed but only 40., The ambassador could have been easily defended
@trunthepaige - That’s lovely, but could you answer my yes or no question?
@PrisonerxOfxLove - He moved them out?? You have evidence of that? Where is this evidence that you speak of and why has it NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED?
Colin Powell put his credibility on the line on behalf of beating the war drums and circumstantial information. He has since backed away from his explanation to the UN. He has stated this.
Professionalism? The professionalism of the Bush Administration did not yield any results and just added 2 very expensive wars to the national deficit. THE REPUBLICANS are responsible for much of the deficit spending. What have we gained as a country from these two wars? It was Obama who caught Bin Laden.
Those are the facts. But that doesn’t mean Obama should win re-election. His drone diplomacy is hideous and hidden from the American public.
The GOP has been waiting and dreaming for a 9/11 moment under this administration’s watch so they could rub it in Obama’s face. This one was a tragedy, to be sure, but it was
nowhere near
THE 9/11. But I guess you guys needed
something
, right?
@davidian - Let’s use reason. If every intelligence agency said that Saddam had WMD and Saddam had actually used WMD on his own people and then all of a sudden there are no WDM, what do you think happened?
Can you reasonably blame their disappearance on George Bush? It is tin foil hat lunacy to think George Bush was lying about WMD. Yet that is what the Democrat Party would have us all believe.
@coolmonkey - Actually it was Democrat Bill Clinton who was jealous that 9/11 happened during George Bush’s presidency.
You folks always accuse the GOP of doing exactly what you do.
@davidian - There was not one scandal during the 8 years of the George Bush presidency. Contrast that with the nonstop scandals under Clinton and the utter catastrophe of the Obama Regime.
The Fast and Furious, and Libyan scandals are hallmarks of Obama incompetence, dishonesty and callous disregard for our nation, America.
Bush liberated 50,000,000 people from psychotic mass murdering thugs in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Any sane person would call that an accomplishment.
But the Democrat Party doesn’t deal in sanity, unfortunately.
i’d say a bit of both! :/
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Let us be somewhat intelligent. Our own intelligence agencies did not have credible, irrefutable evidence of WMDs. The State Department’s Bureau of Intel and Research said that the activites detected “do not add up to a compelling case” (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/apr/28/iraq.iraq/print)
The Department of Energy concluded that the aluminum tubes found that were said to be used for nuclear centrifuges were more likely used for small artillery rockets. (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/international/middleeast/03tube.html?pagewanted=print&position=&_r=0)
The IAEA reported no evidence of Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons or were acquiring them.
The UN’s chief weapon’s inspector said that his teams had not found any “smoking guns” after visiting 125 Iraqi sites.
So I’m sorry, when you say “EVERY INTELLIGENCE AGENCY”, which ones SPECIFICALLY are you talking about? And if that were even remotely true, WHY was the Iraqi War largely a unilateral action? Why did Colin Powell even need to go to the U.N. to present the case? Why would anyone need any convincing?
Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, one of Powell’s top advisers during that time, said that he wished he had not been involved in presenting the case to the U.N. and that it was the “lowest point in [his] life”.
So, let’s be honest. There WERE NO WMDs. This has already been proven. But let’s for a minute be totally ludicrous and suppose there actually were nuclear weapons. Where did they go?? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to transport WMDs undetected? If they were moved in an insecure fashion, wouldn’t al Queda already have their hands on said WMDs since they flooded the country after Saddam was overthrown?
And are you saying our mighty military lacks the know-how and wherewithal to track down and recover those elusive WMDs? That’s a slap in the face to our military.
It’s lunacy to believe that WMDs did exist when EVERYBODY knows that was a false pretense. Read the news please!
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Not one scandal? He started 2 wars and put us deep into the red. He campaigned in 2000 that we should pull back and scale down our military. I voted for him back then. Instead, he escalated our commitments in the world and then told our soldiers that they should go into battle unprepared without battle armor. He put our troops directly in harm’s way and told them to suck it up without the basic armor they need.
He also created more enemies, acted like a cowboy on the global stage, advocated torture, which quickly dimmed the standing of the United States as a beacon of freedom and justice.
Do we also forget Halliburton and how the Bush Administration lined their pockets with tax dollars by granting no-bid contracts to their own PERSONAL companies? You have politicians siphoning American money for their personal gain!
Do we also forget Scooter Libby and the outing of CIA operatives in the middle of their covert operations for political gain?? Putting active service members in jeopardy by betraying them on the national level?
These are just the facts, love. You should pay more attention to some.
@davidian - Saddam Hussein used WMD in his war with Iran and he used them on his own people. So anyone who says that Saddam didn’t have WMD is a liar.
Plus, during his presentation to the UN, Colin Powell showed aerial and satellite photos of Saddam’s WMD.
It’s amazing how history is being re-written.
I know that eventually, perhaps in November, there will be another mass shooting in the United States by some white kid with issues. My point is, we don’t need a man with a beard and a koran in hand, for us to be in serious threat.
@davidian - Halliburton is a legitimate company that did legitimate business in Iraq. All those stupid conspiracies featuring Halliburton were just more tin foil hate lunacy courtesy of the Democrat Party.
Why do you disbelieve things that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt but believe the mindless drivel pumped out by the Democrat Party for which there is not one shred of evidence?
@davidian - Scouter Libby was totally innocent. Amazingly, Colin Powell and Richard Armitage of the State Department knew he was innocent, but they let him hang out to dry.
That was revenge for Bush cutting Powell loose for being a back stabbing liberal.
@davidian - Policy differences are not scandals.
The last Bush deficit was a couple of hundred billion. The Democrats took power in 2006 and that’s when the deficits exploded.
The debt when Bush left office after 8 years was a whopping $10.5 trillion.
The debt after only 4 years of Obama is a civilization crushing $16 trillion.
Why aren’t you complaining about Obama? He increased the national debt by 60% in just 4 years!
This isn’t about who is president or who isn’t. Foreign interference, whether it is the USA or China, is always unwanted because there is a national pride and independence that make natives threatened. Thus, all ambassadors are under threat all the time and people are making moves on them constantly. That’s why they need bodyguards. That danger is a given when you accept the position, although the country they’re positioned in makes a difference.
@agnophilo - I asked the same thing exact thing….and from her answer I really don’t think she understood the question.
@evilcleo - Right now I cant say I blame Obama for the death. I do not know enough to say that outright. But I do blame him for lying about this so he could bash Romney with it. And lying for a good long time
@tendollar4ways - I am really only interested in an answer to my question. Diversion is fun but it is just an admission that you do not like the truth so will not stay on subject
no, they are liars.
Fools, I don’t know. It sure took our attention away from other military ventures like Afghanistan and Iraq and what was going on with China and Russia.
Stupid splitting hairs, rattling the ignorant moron bullshit…Rush and Hannity, Uncle Tom Elder etc…have been prodding the cattle on this stupid bullshit and it it pointless. Idiot Muslim jackasses over some dumb movie (It happened in Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Pakistan…etc etc.), Your brothers in superstitious fundamentalism arms DID get upset about a stupid fucking movie. Also, there are well armed, terrorists in Libya. One or the other attacked the US embassy.
Either fucking way it is crazy fucking religious psychopaths…
The day the shit went down CNN was saying….it looks like it could have been an terrorist attack. Semantical stupid bullshit. You guys are outtttta your friggin minds.
Ya donated the 2 dollars yet?
@Amandascowen - Distraction is the way of politics. Keep the masses distracted. Its sadly so easy to do
@tendollar4ways - Yes I did it was generous of you to settle it like that so it was only fair. But the rest of what you wrote here is so….dude you listen to too much talk radio, do what i do and listen to music its easier on your nerves. And doing that will make it so you answer what i wrote and not act like I am the talk radio host you just listened to
What you posted was marching orders straight from Rush Fatbaugh…which is why it is frustrating to read.
I wanna see the receipt.
@tendollar4ways - Dude i do not listen to talk radio what i wrote are simply facts. Obama lied I cant help it if more than one person is reporting these facts. The truth is you should have been able to see this on CNN and I think you could have
So it is just a coincidence that you are posting the stupid ass senseless over the top, wet your pants meme du jour of conservative talk radio/ fox news hysterics?
Again….either way…it is not a big deal any way you slice this turd….except for the wakkos who are making it more than it is.
@tendollar4ways - Dude if you had been reading the news at all you would know that the state department has been releasing this stuff these last few days. There are hearing going on… Its called news try keeping up on it
I read the news every day…and my assessment is yea..they shoulda shut down that outpost in bumfuck fundamentalist Gaddafiville. They very well coulda fucked up and were negligent.
I turn on Rush Oxyboy, Hannity, etc etc etc…(I am in my car alot and wanna see your sides take on things) is screaming bloody murder….the shit you said in this blog and…I am asking the whole time WHY?? What is the fucking motivation?
As I said before…usually there is a grand, unethical payout at the end for conspiracy theories to really take hold…i.e. Halliburton’s stock goes through the roof with the Iraq invasion…but with this…..it is simply Obama Lied. Why? What is the fucking payoff? Where is the grand scheme?
You guys are selling the Scheme without any payout for the bad guys. Lies for lies sake?
Sacrificing and Ambassador and 4 servicemen for no reason?
Your Conspiracy theories are even lame…..
I do believe he is both in this case.
@agnophilo - Hello, this is your conscience. Still waiting for an answer to this simple, yes or no question.
@tendollar4ways - Dude the question was about Obama and his administrations statements about it being caused by a almost unwatched you tube video. As opposed to what everyone knew it was. A terrorist attack.
Is the Obama admissions that stupid or did they lie?
Why did they lie. Hell I am not sure but it looks like the reason was political think election
@agnophilo - I never like being lied to, but that is a silly question about my emotional reaction to a politician lying. Its not relevant to anything. I do not wast my emotional energy on politics all. One would go crazy if they did that.
Does my thinking that question is silly anger you?
Do you really think anyone’s conscience is involved in answering or not answering one of your questions?
@trunthepaige - I still don’t get the ape shittyness you guys are going over this nor does this explain it.
Riots over a movie or islamic terrorists they are varying degrees of the same nuttery.
Semantical stupidity. Again…you guys demonstrate you are outta your minds.
@tendollar4ways - Really its the same thing a spontaneous riot over a silly video that unintentionally kills some people vs a terrorist group targeting an embassy in an on going war against the USA? IN and nation that just lost 20,000 shoulder lunched anti aircraft missiles
In Egypt at the embassy there, some Cleric on his TV played the video over and over and riled up the morons. This with social media made for a planned demonstration.
In Lybia..yea it was a terrorist attack by militants. They just went through a civil war and definately there are many people (who lost) who are pissed.
The narative you guys are selling is imcomplete garbled nonsense. As I stated earlier with Iraq..(and I am not even going to argue the validity of the claim one way or the other). Haliburtons stock was 10 buck, Cheeny was CEO, we invade Iraq, Halliburton’s stock goes to 90. This is an arguement and a consiracy theory.
What you guys are spewing is 1/2 cocked , 1/2 developed insanity. It is like a skizophrenic on the street corner spewing incomplete sentances and incoheret thoughts.
Since you dont’ listen to Hannity, Limbaugh etc….they then condemn Obama for the Arab Spring, Libya’s chaos…the muslim brotherhoods rise. (what was he to do?) Attack Islam relentlessly and don’t say one word when Romney says he wants to arm the Syrian Rebels.
It is a incoherent garbled mess.
We liberals have contempt for you but we pale in comparisson to the contempt the Right Wingers do.
They treat you like morons….and you bite, hook line and sinker.
@tendollar4ways - Dude your ass is so far up your ass. Obama knowing lied about this and did it over and over again and had his entire administration join in
It is important and you know it is. You are just willing to carrying on like this because you d not want him to lose the election
@trunthepaige - You got that right….Obama needs to win this election because Republcians prove they are outta their minds and not in touch with reality and this whole nonsense demonstrates this once again. Conserves are friggin nut. They are friggin psychopaths and don’t belong in charge of anything.
It isn’t because Obama and the Dems are so great…they suck for the most part but you guys are JUST SOOOOO bad….completely nuts and insane.
@tendollar4ways - In other words you know I am right, you know Obama and his staff are lying and you do not care.
@trunthepaige - If it’s a silly question why not answer it, it’s a yes or no question and you’ve expended a lot more energy avoiding answering it than it would take to answer it. In reality you can’t answer it because the answer is upsetting and when two conflicting parts of someone’s mind come in contact it causes emotional pain, this pain is called cognitive dissonance in psychology. There are two solutions to that pain – one, ignore the problem and pretend it doesn’t exist, or two, resolve the conflict and make your worldview more consistent and logical by changing your mind (one way or another).
You are doing the former, I am trying to give you the option of doing the latter.
@agnophilo - “I do not wast my emotional energy on politics all. One would go crazy if they did that.”
See I did answer your stupid question. Do you need me to make that simpler for you?
@trunthepaige - So if obama killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people based on a lie you would be cool with that?
If you don’t care about such things, why bash obama regularly in your blog?
@agnophilo - That is no longer politics, that is murder. Doing something to hide a screw up or make Romney look bad is not murder, it is politics. That does not arouse anger in me it just makes me want him removed.
i’d think lie for the sake of the election campaign…
this makes me remembered the statement made by Jack Burkman about how the Bush administration lied about WMD in iraq to the american public, but has all the right to do so, for the greater good (or something like that)
@agnophilo - I bash Obama’s politics because they suck. He is a bad president, a poor leader and I disagree with him
@maniacsicko - I dont know about that but I do know that every credible source agree with Bush and what he said. It trunes out that they were alkl worng
@trunthepaige - So lying is horrible and worth writing a huge blog about. But lying to justify killing hundreds of thousands of people isn’t worth being the slightest bit offended? And obama lying makes him a horrible person but romney lying who cares?
@trunthepaige - well that’s what he (jack burkman) said on the record… and he said that he’s the first hand source on that, so i just take his word as it is.. my perception is, he believe that’s the right thing to do, and he totally supports it, as without lying to the american people, the objective cannot be achieved (hence the action is totally justified)..
(of course i personally would never agree to that, but at the same time i do understand that governments do lie to the people in any particular aspect that they deem necessary, for whatever reason, like for instance to avoid panic etc.. still, in that particular event, i don’t think their objective justify such action whatsoever… but that’s my personal opinion, of course)
@maniacsicko - You are a 9-11 truther?
@agnophilo - Where do you get you ideas from? Its nothing I write. Politics is worth talking about, its worth arguing about, but its not worth vesting your emotions into them. Murder is worth it. So what different subject are trying to take this convo to? You are working very hard at it so just do it this is now an older entry so why not bring on the rabbit trail
@trunthepaige - i’m not even american or live in america, so i don’t exactly know what that term refers to (but i’ve ‘heard’ that term used on xanga, yes)… but if he question is if i want to know what exactly happen, yeah i do… if the question is if i believe the official story (in totality), i think i see some holes that raises questions… if that is what makes a truther, then perhaps i am.. (of course i wouldn’t declare myself something when i’m not entirely sure what it really means)
but i’m interested to how what this links to my previous comments? is there any direct correlation that tend to occur for a truther between iraq/wmd issue and 9-11?
wait, on second thought, perhaps there is… is it the war on terror thing? i haven’t really connect the two events before (perhaps because i’m outside the US, so i see the two events separately), but now when you raise it up, it kinda triggered me to think about it.. huh, interesting stuff…
@maniacsicko - you seem to love conspiracies so I would assume you never believe any story and see them all as propaganda
@trunthepaige - wait, that observation is based on my posts, or my previous comments? because i didn’t think i dwell in any conspiracies in those comments… lemme check for a sec..
nope, i don’t think i did.. the first comment was just me stating facts (the facts is that Jack Burkman said so and so, and not that what he said is definitely facts..), the second comment is basically my perception i get from that fact (that Jack Burkman said so and so) and I added some general observations (that governments lies if they think it is necessary – is this what you are referring to as conspiracies?) and ended up with stating that i essentially don’t agree with Jack Burkman (he thinks it is justified, and i don’t)..
the third comment is a response for your question about 9-11 truther… so that shouldn’t be included in how you formulate the idea that i “seem to love conspiracies”
so… did you made such assumption based on the comments, or my posts, or what, exactly? (i’m really interested to know, if there’s a side of my that i’m not aware of)
@trunthepaige - I was pointing out your partisan hypocrisy and you’re playing semantics to dodge a simple point.
@agnophilo - Sorry you were simply pointing out your own mental delusion. There is not hypocrisy here and no way to think you see any. You are trying to divert attention from the truth, hoping this does not keep getting worse before the election. tendollar at least admitted it
@maniacsicko - Your older entries and comments… you seem to like conspiracies. Governments do often lie. But like a lot of crimes being common is not an excuse on its own for any one of the lies. Murder is common, but saying it is common is not a very good defense
@trunthepaige - yeah i agree it’s not an excuse.. which is why i don’t agree of it..
@maniacsicko - I have no issues nth that I guess my comment about conspiracies was only a slightly related side note
@trunthepaige - Criticizing one candidate for doing something and not having a problem when the other candidate does the same or much worse is not hypocrisy?
@agnophilo - It could be but more likely when you say that you are just trying to dodge the point. If say bush was a liar, that is is no way a defense again Obama being a liar. Bringing that up is simply a way to divert the argument rather than address it. In other words you know your man is a liar and would rather change the subject.
@trunthepaige - I said at the beginning of this that I don’t know if they lied or just didn’t have their ducks in a row intelligence-wise (neither do you by the way). After which I assumed for the sake of argument that obama was lying and talked about that. How is that avoiding anything?
If obama told a lie that was purely political and had no real world consequences that is not remotely as egregious as the lies the previous administration told which got vastly more innocent people killed than 9/11. Nor is it more egregious than the lies romney says in roughly ten second intervals. “My plan would cover people with pre-existing conditions” is a lie that has real world consequences.
@agnophilo - No what you did was in response to your hero screwing up big time and lying about it. You tried to say I did not care about other events. Of coerce you made that up but even if you had not what you did was to not address the issue but trying to attack me.