March 20, 2013
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Rape is funny it seems
With more than a few rape posts making the blogging rounds. Some comments even hint that prison rape is simply justice. It is time to rerun a 4 year old entry of mine.
“I am totally straight, but I don t count my time in prison. That Bubba was a real gem. Is it okay if he visits one weekend?”
“Conrad Black loses bid to be freed on bond, will have to report to a Florida prison on Monday. Torontoist advises Conrad Black to spend his last free weekend learning how not to drop the soap.”
60,000 inmates admit to being raped every year. And all you hear about it are jokes involving soap on a rope and some guy named Bubba. We send a minor drug offender to spend a year in jail and he is ganged raped the entire time he is there. Later he dies of AIDS or hepatitis.All this happens under the watchfully eye of prison staff. And what about that staff. In some institutions 27 percent of female prisoners report being sexually abused. In the majority of those cases, it is claimed it was the guards who did it.
Interesting if true, and a good explanation for the 60,000 rapes that happen right in front of them every year. All these numbers came from the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics. So it is not like this is happening, and they don’t know about .
So what does this say about us? We are letting this happen and then making noises about being a civilized people.
We send young men into prison, then sexually abuse them for a few years. What sort of men are we then releasing back into society?
It’s not funny, stop laughing. It’s not justice, no just people would stand for it.
The One Year Sentence for Rape that so outraged everyone on xanga. Lets not get into the that case. But the truth is that those 2, 17 year old guys who were sentenced to one year in prison, or until 21 years old at the longest. They will be getting out. The crime they committed, I do not think anyone believes deserves a life sentence. That means they will be released someday. In everyone’s wildest dreams of vengeance, the day will come that they are on the streets again.
Is it really funny and a good idea that they would spend their time in jail being sexuality abused?
Do you think they will make you a good neighbor when they get out?
Comments (92)
This will be short too the point. WE ARE SICK PEOPLE WHEN WE ALLOW RAPE TO HAPPEN ANYWHERE IN PRISON, STREET, CARS ETC.
The reason it happens is because of sin and not following the Messiah and the Scripture.
I can say this one day they will stand in front of their maker and be judged for it and try to get out of it,. Bro. Doc
@BroDoc - we try to solve the issue of men doing evil by locking them together and letting them be evil to each other. We never address the real problem we do not want to it seems.
Our prison system is pretty fucked up. It could be worse I guess.
@ShimmerBodyCream - if it was worse the men inside would likely come out so weak that they would be harmless. We make the physically strong and mentally damaged
I saw it on a documentary before, detailing prison rape, but many criminals would rather die instead of being sentenced to prison for fear of getting raped.
Yes, prison rape bothers me a lot, but most people seem to think that it’s just part of the sentence.
Plus you have the problem where our penal system doesn’t seem to have a defined purpose. Is it for punishment, to deter future crimes? For rehabilitation, to send a good citizen back out into the world? To protect law-abiding citizens from criminals by locking them away? A useful first step would be defining what result we hope for when we send someone to prison. Regardless of intent, prison rape still isn’t funny.
I don’t think it was ever a good idea to lock all criminals away with each other in the first place. Especially now, because they really don’t have much to occupy their time anymore. It used to be that while in prison you had to do hard manual labor. While this seems kind of cruel at first, keep in mind that a gang member who is physically exhausted at the end of a long day of hard work probably does not have the energy to terrorize and sexually abuse his cell mate. Obviously there will always be abuse in prison, so the real solution is to find a NEW solution. What that would be, I have no idea.
Here’s an interesting insight into the subject:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/16val7/hey_prison_guards_what_are_some_common/
One of the prison guards who replied had this to say, “Rape is far less common than thought. It does happen, but great efforts
are taken to prevent it. The other people I worked with were fairly
representative of the general public. People tend to dislike rape.”
Perhaps in some prisons it is more prevalent but I’d have to say that it is not an across the board measure of all prisons that inmates are constantly allowed to rape each other.
If we actully defined the prison system’s purpose as @WaitingToShrug stated, maybe then the prisons wouldn’t be so overcrowded, and the guards could do more to keep this from happening. Individual cells, and less “free time” where they roam free.
(The folks I know that work/have worked as guards in prison have told me in the past, that the rapes don’t usually occur in the open or with guards present. They usually happen in secret. If a guard were to walk in, they usually turn away, either out of horror, or the knowledge that if they were to intervene, they set themselves up for attack, or the attacker will later get “revenge” on the victim even worse the next time. One friend of mine stopped a prison rape in progress, he was later attacked by at least 5 prisoners and himself raped by the original attacker.)
@Kuai_le1010 - The justice department does not agree with that guy, maybe he is lucky and works in prison paradise or maybe he is blind deaf and dumb. “The justice department says that 88,500 adults held in prisons and jails at the time of the survey had been sexually victimized”
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/reviewpanel/pdfs/prea_finalreport_2012.pdf
Rape is a very common crime in prisons. In an enviorment where the people are totoly controled, any rape is an outrage (our fault) but 88,500 is disgusting
@grim_truth - Geez, that’s horrible.
I don’t pretend to know how prison *should be* reformed, but I think it’d be good to throw out ideas. If a crime doesn’t warrant a life sentence, perhaps the focus should be on rehabilitation. Or perhaps the first half should be oriented towards punishment, the second towards the eventual release into society. I read an article recently detailing the meals that prisoners get. I think that it’s worth it to look into that further. Poor diet never helped anyone fix themselves. It might even “cure” some of the people whose imprisonment relates directly to mental health.
Yes, but the problem lies with why heterosexual males feel the need to rape, I’m not evrn going to attempt to understand why society permits this, I myself will go to prison and see for myself why grpwn men like to do this, out of pure humiliation, or for sexual pleasure. I do not mind being raped, if the good Lord wishes this upon me, I won’t even struggle, it’s not the pain I fear, or aids, it’s the truth… so you just raped me because having anal sex is the same regardless of gender.
@trunthepaige - I agree. I might have to retract my first statement. Just read that my good ol state of TX is the prison rape capital of the nation.
“Lone Star State home to 5 of 10 worst facilities for sexual assault
of inmates, and LGBT prisoners are 15 times more likely to be victims”
I recently saw an old movie about a woman being wrongfully put in to a woman’s rehabilitation center for defending herself from someone who was assaulting her. While she was in there, she saw a bunch of prison guards abusing the women in there, sexually and physically. She wanted to do something about it but when her husband let her speak on his radio show one of his callers said they didn’t care what happens to those women in there, after all they are in there.
Even if they are criminals, two wrongs don’t make a right. I’m glad the prison guards were sentenced. Sure it’s a movie but I think it was based on a true event, too.
@Kuai_le1010 - Transgenders are doomed in the general population. You might as well put a woman in a men’s prison
Hmmm. I’ll go out on a limb here. I don’t condone any type of rape, but I don’t have much sympathy for prisoners. They and we know/knew the risks of what can happen to you if you do something to get yourself locked up.
What it boils down to is that, if you watch the prison shows or read the news when a prisoner escapes, prisons are generally very understaffed, to a point where prisoners can easily become victim to a number of prison crimes aside from rape, like physical assault (getting jumped), stabbed, etc. it isn’t that we are “allowing” our prisoners to be abused in the sense that it is a tolerated practice, as is portrayed in this entry, but there realistically aren’t enough guards to always stop or prevent crimes. Prison isn’t as controlled of an environment as one may think, that’s how you get all of your illegal activities that go on in them (use of drugs, manufacture and use of alcohol, manufacture and use of weapons, assaults etc.)
That’s not to say that prisoners shouldn’t be charged appropriately (or a guard if they perpetrate a crime), but I just can’t have much sympathy for someone who becomes a victim as a result of their own actions that made someone else be their victim.
@xinq - True or not it is the way a lot of people feel. NO pity they had it coming. When someone is abused and realizes that a lot of people in his society think its just great that he was abused. Those are the seeds of a monster
@SlickRick297 - No its allowed we know what will happen when we put these guys together without enough controls. That lack of supervision could also be called “Depraved Indifference”. When we put those guys under our control they are also under our protection
@WaitingToShrug - I think they should model prison after military basic training. They break you down, and build you back up into what they want you to be. The only drawback on that is, those in military basic training wanted to be there (well, some may have wanted to go home during that time, but they still went willingly), and most prisoners do not want to be there.
When we arrive at basic, we’re scum, lower than scum. Not worthy of anything. By time we leave, we’re effective and ready to go learn our jobs and be as efficient as possible. There are ample opportunities for rape during basic. Plenty of times where the TI, DI, or Drill Segeant aren’t around, but it doens’t happen often. Even if someone wanted to, I think one would be too scared, or too tired to try, or a combination of both.
Not even a rapist deserves to be raped.
Great post! Prison rape certainly is a real issue and it’s sad people light of it because inmates ‘deserve it’
@faerieshadow - Maybe that would be justice but what are we saying about ourselves when we let this happen. We know it will happen and we just laugh
@grim_truth - Now that’s an interesting idea, and I think you’re onto something with the “too tired” part. When you’re busy and productive, you are much less likely to get into trouble.
@trunthepaige - As long as we can all agree to increase federal and state taxes to hire enough personnel to oversee prisoners, we can blame the system for “Depraved Indifference”. But then again, there’s a lot of other legitimate entities that would feel like their interests are equally as important or more and would feel left out, like the education system that aims to keep people out of prison in the first place, law enforcement (cops this time, not prison officers) who risk their lives to catch these guys and get them into the prison, and the military who protects this country, all of whom have eaten significant (some of which are downright debilitating) budget cuts that impair/severely restrict their ability to operate effectively.
I think people view men getting raped as funny in general. When they think of men getting raped in prison, especially those who are sex offenders, they somehow see it as justice being served. Justice for whom? The only thing it does is create more anger and resentment. You are right, these boys are going to be released. They are going to be released into a world that doesn’t want them because 1) they are ex-prisoners, and 2) they are sex offenders. Getting raped in prison is only going to make them into worse people than they are. People tend to ignore this, but I think, in general society tends to disregard what men feel anyway. The prison system only seems to create better criminals in my opinion.
@trunthepaige - Overfunded? Based on what info?
@SlickRick297 - Both the education and the prison systems are over funded. The results are not based on the spending. But if you put a man in jail you must take care of him. He needs his ass left intact far more and he needs an over paid prison administration. Just maybe people should only be in jail for violent crimes. A drunk driver can spend his day at home with an electronic collar or maybe a return to forced labor to help with the costs
@SlickRick297 - All info the avergage student cost in the USA per year is $11,665 per student k-12. Not counting food programs, the buildings, or buses
Prisoners cost over $40,000 per year
@Erika_Steele - I think you just said it better than I did
Prisons and jails are concentration camps for the evil among us. They are VERY scary places.
The trade off is a more peaceful society gained at the expense of people who commit crimes against that very same society.
That is the very definition of justice.
If you want to commit crime, you will do the time in a concentration camp full of wicked, depraved people.
That sounds like deterrence, another great concept in the topic of crime prevention.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - What a great idea. When those two very large men get out of prison next year. And say they were someones sex toys the entire time they were there. I am sure you will feel safe having them move next to say a daughter of yours
@trunthepaige - What I’m saying is that there is nothing we can do about this problem. Bad people commit crimes.
Then bad people are gathered into communes called prisons and jails and forced to live in community.
It’s hell on earth.
If you don’t want to go to hell while you are still living, don’t get caught committing crimes. If you get out and are caught committing more crime, you go back for a longer stay.
What is truly unfortunate is that thousands and thousands of people exist who make going to jail a lifestyle.
@trunthepaige - I still don’t see how that info proves that those institutions are overfunded. All you did was tell me how much it costs to put an individual through those systems.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - But that is not true. The Russians do not have this problem. And there is no reason for some of the people we put into prisons. A drunk driver should never see the same jail as a murder
@SlickRick297 - They have a lot of money in other words. they do not need more money they need a difernt way of doing things. and there is no reason the USA locks up more people than any other nation on earth. There are other punishments than jail
this might not be the subject of this post, but i think the prison system is screwed, from all the horrifying statistics that i’ve heard of, be it on what happens inside, or after people get out, of after they got back in.. (just thinking out loud, yet again)
@trunthepaige - Russian jails are known for their brutality just like most other countries in the third world.
If prisoners are treated like animals they develop some sort of communal attitude or are too near starvation, sickness and death to make trouble.
Being merciful to the wicked as is done here in the United States has its drawbacks. Like all other Progressive social engineering projects it just creates hell on earth and an entrenched criminal culture.
Nowadays, high school kids think it’s cool to dress like a convict.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - But all the brutality is from the guards not the prisoners. The point is we have total control of them. they hurt each other its because we let them do it. Its prison they do not need freedom in it. But we also have far to many people locked up in the same places we put violent criminals
@trunthepaige - All brutality is NOT committed by the guards. The guards are just trying to get through the day just like everybody else.
Where power is concerned there always seems to be abuse. But to blame prison guards for all the brutality that goes on in a prison is simply naive.
Prisons are nut houses. The first thing that happens when you get in is that you have to kick somebody’s ass.
Someone comes up to abuse you, and if you don’t want to have an asshole that’s Grand Central Station for the rest of your stay, you’ll break his face.
That’s how you get cred and that’s how you get left alone. Only pussies get taken advantage of.
“But that is not true. The Russians do not have this problem. And there is no reason for some of the people we put into prisons. A drunk driver should never see the same jail as a murder.” First off, jails and prisons are two completely different things. The only time a drunk driver and murderer will spend the same time in a jail would be before they go to trial because jails hold criminals with sentences up to a year, or if they’re awaiting trial. If you’re in jail for your first DUI offense, you won’t be in jail for more than a couple of days. If you get in trouble again, then you may very well end up in prison due to the repeat offense, but that’s your own doing. I believe it’s also different for sex offenders. My uncle served 8 years but wasn’t sent to a regular prison. prisoners are not granted the same rights as regular citizens. did you know that felons lose their right to vote? if they don’t even get the right to vote, or the right to buy a firearm, then you shouldn’t be so surprised they’re not getting the right to protection, either.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - I was talking about the Russian prisons and yes it is the guards there. The prisoners there do not have enough freedom to be much of a threat to anyone. The guards are more than willing to kill an unruly prisoner. If that prisoner is lucky they will shoot him and not send the dogs in to kill him
@SlickRick297 - I really must agree with you. well stated.
Okay, I’ll jump the devil’s advocate for you for a second here. You want to try and justify these people who broke the law because our justice system is broken 6 days til sunday. What about the prison rapists? I think if you f**k up once, go to the slammer and f**k up again, a bullet through the skull seems reasonable. It costs so much money to feed and house people in a prison, a round costs maybe 9 cents on a high estimate. What justice should come to these rapists in prison?
@trunthepaige-”I was talking about the Russian prisons and yes it is the guards there. The prisoners there do not have enough freedom to be much of a threat to anyone. The guards are more than willing to kill an unruly prisoner. If that prisoner is lucky they will shoot him and not send the dogs in to kill him” So you agree with the idea of prisoners getting shot and killed at whim by the guards, but you hate the idea of them getting raped by their cell mates? This is America. Guards do not have the jurisdiction to kill the prisoners, why do think there’s so much corruption and chaos?
@Love_in_102 - Yes they do share the same prison. Those mandatory prison sentences put some drunk drivers in with general population. I know one guy who spent one year in Walla Walla and one more in Monroe.
Nice that your uncle spent his time in a Monroe like like place. Not that they are safe ether.
What type of crime do you think makes raping them ok?
@trunthepaige - was it his first offense? did he kill anyone?
@Love_in_102 - You are so right our prisoners need their forced sex. Its so much better here. And being murdered by a fellow inmate is a lot better that a being shot by a guard
@trunthepaige - What the heck are we doing talking about Russian prisons?
I thought this was Amerikee.
@trunthepaige - I’m done with you. now I know exactly why so many trolls ruined your ratings.
@Love_in_102 - two drunk convictions and a fender bender while drunk. Two convictions 3 crimes. Is that rape worthy?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Yes it is. but they are proof that you can control your prisoners if you want to. I even think you can do it without being sadistic like they are
@Love_in_102 - Wow because I disagreed with your very poorly thought out comment. You do know you were trying to justify prison rape as “oh well shit happens they have it coming’ . Should I have just said, ‘thank you you are so right lets give them guns and let them shoot each other while we are at it”
@trunthepaige - no, I said it because you were putting words in my mouth and not comprehending what I was saying in my comments.
@Love_in_102 - last thing they could not hurt my ratings I had far to many A’s. That was not about me but blogger of your size who could end up shut down by less than 10 of those EX ratings
@trunthepaige - and yet I’m the one who has yet to be attacked.
@trunthepaige - I’m reading these comments, the entire conversation. Two different convictions AND a fender bender? This person is disgustingly selfish. He could have killed my family. He could have caused someone’s life to change by taking a loved one. If he’s going to leave the fate of these people to the mercy of his drunken stupor, he needs to be left to the mercy of an uncontrolled environment also. I don’t condone prison rape, we have these bible-thumping judges who would rather deliver a life sentence than execute someone who say.. molested a child, killed their family, or burned someones house down in attempted murder. Nope, let’s give them a free ride for life instead. If we kept the rehabilitation hopeful’s alive and executed murderers, child molesters, rapists, etc, the people who just needed to learn a lesson wouldn’t suffer.
@Love_in_102 - If we got off wrong I am sorry but you are on a very ugly side of this. you are saying that we can do nothing about rape. That is an ugly position that is saying they will just be raped. If I was unjustifiably rough on you I will take our exchange down. I am not trying to upset anyone. But I want them mad enough about this think about what we are ding to our prisoners
@WorldWideWatchman - Yes he could have, so rape is good for him?
@trunthepaige - The Russians control their prisoners by treating them like animals.
The American system is limited by law and the preservation of human rights. But the law and human rights mean nothing if the population is a bunch of amoral lunatics.
And why expect anything but raw inhumanity from the government anyway?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - then maybe they need to be treated with less concern for their rights and more for their safety? That plus why would even the worst none violent offender serve time in the same prison as murderous gang member?
@Love_in_102 - you are not half as popular as those who have been. It was all about jealousy mostly. Hit number one and you would have been hit. Hopefully that is now over with
@trunthepaige - Not everyone gets raped in prison, but that’s a risk you run if you’re going to make bad decisions, like drive under the influence… twice. What if a drunk driver hit you and knocked your teeth out when your face smashed the steering wheel and you needed unaffordable reconstructive surgery? I can almost guarantee you your view will change.
@trunthepaige - Our government was founded upon the principle that its job was the preservation and protection of human rights.
Criminals forfeit a lot of that but the government is still set up to perform that function.
The best solutions to problems like these won’t be coming from the government. I don’t know if you remember Chuck Colson. He was a Watergate criminal who got Jesus and then started an organization that ministered to prisoners.
In hell, only God and the devil have power. A government sponsored solution will only lead to more misery.
@WorldWideWatchman - OK so rape is fine with you … got it. You are right only a certain percentage of men are easy to rape. the percentage is 4.4% a year are raped. the small guys keep the big guys happy
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - whatever dude
@trunthepaige - Quoting myself here. “I don’t condone prison rape”. You’re not even replying to my argument, you’re just putting me in this corner without at least reasoning with me. Let’s again address the risk factor of everything we do. I have the right to sunbathe butt ass naked on my lawn if I so please. Sure, I can do that, but the risks I run are scarring people for life, going to jail and maybe a sunburn if it’s in the middle of summer. I’m not a person who thinks that these risks are menial in comparison to achieving this feat, I therefore make a decision to keep some pants on or just stay inside and read a good book. Your good old friend decided to drive drunk… twice! This carries the risk of going to prison among other bad consequences, whether our justice system is amazing, or total garbage. When you go to prison, you carry the risk of getting raped. Please, before you generalize, explain to me where you’re coming from. Being as vague as you are just makes me think you’re looking for exposure on the front page. Not saying that’s a bad thing, as a content creator, I try to create compelling comment to get noticed also. Your move, ma’am.
@trunthepaige - I’m not one of those who laugh about it. My dad worked in federal prisons for 25 years, and saw horrible things. One story that has stayed with me was of a nutritionist. She was not a prisoner, but was there to help the prisoners. One of the prisoners locked himself in a room with her, raped her, and choked her to death with her own panty hose. Something needs to be done. And it needs to be on a society-wide, culture-wide, world-wide level. Men on both sides of the bars think it’s ok to physically dominate others through rape to punish, humiliate, and control them. Sad.
@trunthepaige - What do you mean, “Whatever, Dude?”
You blather on and on about limited government and then when it suits your taste for Utopia In Prison, you want to turn it loose and let it go hog wild.
Either you believe in Constitutionally limited government or you don’t. Liberty has a price.
And convicts pay it big time. If this issue is of such great concern to you, join a group that ministers to prisoners.
Outsourcing your good will and best wishes for humanity to the government is might make you feel better but it will only make the problem worse.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - You are talking abut the rights of people who have had their rights taken away through a court of law. They are in prison
@WorldWideWatchman - “I do not condone” is not getting you off the hook for just letting the crime happen by way of doing nothing to stop it. It can be stopped these people are in prison under our total control and care. There is zero excus for letting it just happen. “I do not condon but” is not doing anything
@trunthepaige - Prisoners still have the right to the best possible treatment that is appropriate for their circumstances.
If guards were turned loose on prisoners in order to keep order, there would be lawsuits out the wazzoo for centuries.
You can’t give that kind of power to the system. Otherwise you end up like Russia, with a corrupted system that is in business to abuse prisoners.
I advocate keeping the system clean and letting the prisoners stew in their own juices. Prisoners only have the power to hurt themselves.
A corrupt government can send the entire society down the tubes.
@trunthepaige – I tried to be polite, I really did. I’m leaving it at this: do your research before you argue. Another thing, what are we supposed to do? Tell these child molestors and murderers to play nice? The world is an ugly place, lady.
Here is another note that may be of interest. I applied for a job at a privately run prison in Mississippi. They had a big riot last December. One guard was killed.
The prisoners had all been shipped in from California because of overcrowding. And you’ll never guess what kind of prisoners they were…
…if you guessed illegal aliens you’d be right and I should never say never.
How’d you like to be the warden and have to inform the wife of the guard that her husband was murdered by rampaging illegal aliens?
@WorldWideWatchman - Every word I said was a fact. Yours were only opinions that amount to “they have it coming” No I have no respect for you at all
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Mexico is not sending us their best. Often the ones who sneak into the USA are running from something. Often that something is the law
@trunthepaige - The border needs to be locked up tight and any violators shot or sent back IMMEDIATELY. They are not US citizens so they don’t merit due process.
@trunthepaige - Quoting you here: “whatever dude”. Learn to argue and reason.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Hang them from polls along the border …Someone will think I am being serious here. I am that evil right wing girl
@trunthepaige - Actually, I taught illegal alien kids for a few years during the day. And I taught their parents English at night school.
They were great people and they came here because they were desperate. Nobody can really blame them.
But nobody can blame America for protecting the integrity of her national borders.
@trunthepaige - Did you mean moral compass? Back to high school with you. Thanks for giving me something to write about.
@WorldWideWatchman - I had no problem with it. You took the prisoned position that they have it coming. I took the position that no one has that coming and it creates monsters in our society. It is not hard to look good with you as my adversary. Your position is not one that plays well with anyone who has a moral compass
@WorldWideWatchman - yay you saw it while I could still edit it
@WorldWideWatchman - Please do I would get a kick out you defending prison rape. Are you going stait for the typo argument? Might as well go strait to the ad hominem and forget even trying to defend that position
I do not think anyone deserves to be raped,NOBODY! But as much as I hate rape,if I came across someone being raped,I don’t think I would be able to stop myself from beating the holy crap out of that person.
Rape, under any circumstances, is wrong.
I find it frustratingly amusing that ppl will simultaneously complain that justice is lacking, yet will endorse prison rape.
Justice is not vengeance. Vengeance has it’s place, but some convict thug doesn’t own vengeance.
The victim? His/her family? I’d smile as they sought vengeance, with their OWN hands. Vengeance is personal, you want it, you do it.
But a con raping another con isn’t even vengeance.
That is just another crime. Should that convict then also be raped?
This isn’t that hard to figure out…
I don’t have pity for rapists getting raped, or murderers getting killed. But even when it does happen, it should not be at the hands of other prisoners, only of a rational justice system.
What I do have extreme sympathy and feel horror towards is when I hear about non-violent criminals getting violently assaulted in prison. Those who do not threaten or violate others’ rights should not be branded as criminals in the first place; to lock them away among real criminals and allow them to get assaulted is truly criminal, it is unjustifiable, and it is immoral. That is fucked up beyond words, and I personally hold the county/state/federal government (whichever is applicable) in contempt for every such case. Anyone who is assaulted in prison has the personal and moral right to sue the living hell out of the government. What a hypocrisy of a “justice” system!
I agree with @waitingtoshrug on defining clear purposes for imprisonment. I think part of the problem is that our pacifist culture frowns on punishing evil people, which is pretty terrifying when you consider the ramifications. I like @grim_truth’s idea of instilling a military style boot camp. However, that is a form of rehabilitation. I think a criminal should be punished until his victim is restored to pre-victimization capacity. (Determining the victim’s state is not something I’ve thought out yet, but I do think it’s possible, and more objective than today’s compensation) After the victim is restored, only then can rehabilitation fairly take place. So the worst of prison scum who have murdered, raped, and committed extreme battery would not be candidates for the boot camp, only for Hell (figuratively speaking).
@DougX831 - Oddly 3 years ago when I ran this for the second time, just shy of 90 people left 114 comments and 42 recommendations. The frsit time it was almost as big as that. In the 2 times before this, there where prison guards, cops and ex prisoners who commented. None of them responded like some of these people did. No one thought rape was just part of being in jail.”It’s the risk of committing a crime. But it was only 2 here who out and out supported prison rape. And it seem they sleep in the same bed.
May they never breed
@DrummingMediocrity - I could not agree more with you. And in every detail
Locking someone up for having some weed to be repeatedly raped puts society at a lower moral standing than these two boys.
@tendollar4ways - I agree with you. Yes it happens
I think they are doing some sledding down in Hades.
…..not from my perspective, but then I’m not asked that very often…. the courts and judges do have a unique point of view, but….. Peace