April 11, 2013
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Ugly Question
A very Ugly Question
An ugly question is a question that some will hate you over. Just because you asked it, no matter the truth of the question. This is a question whose answer is also ugly.
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Racism.
The ultimate evidence of racism, would be searching out members of another race for assault, murder, and especially rape, a crime of dominance and humiliation.When white people commit violent crimes, rape, murder and assault. How often do they choose black victims? We are bigots are we not? Crimes of violence against a hated race should be a common thing. It certainly was once before. 80 years ago, in days of lynchings, those crimes were obviously racist. But it seems today when white people are violent, they to it to blacks only 2.4 percent of the time. Blacks on the other hand, they choose white victims more than half the time.
In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man. Black woman were far safer with a white men than with black men. And that was not an unusual year.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.govCan you put a good spin on these statistic?
Is racism really mostly a white problem?@TheTheologiansCafe , You asked for me to re do this one here it is.
Comments (90)
Honestly, I’ve met some black, Hispanic, etc. people who were more racist than any white person I know. Mexicans? I didn’t realize how racist they were until I became a “minority” so to speak. Oh, and don’t even get me started on Asians. They tend to be the most racist of them all, in my experience (the most likely to be against interracial marriage, among other things).
The light racism I’ve seen from white people is nothing like the racism I’ve seen from other races. Oh, and “Affirmative Action?” That’s total racism against white people (and discriminatory toward men for that matter), but no one bats an eye at it.
Pot meet kettle?
Rapists rape. All women of any color and age are safe around every man, until they are in the company of a rapist. Rapists are violent criminals who violate women violently.
@Such_are_you – not necessarily true. Some target specific ethnicities to fuether feel more power over their victims.
Great post. People forget that poor whites were worth fsr less than black slaves and killed mercilessly than their black counterparts tjat held value.
@BenelliMan - What you say is actually factual, but that is only an added aspect to rape. They are not rapists because they are racist. I contend no matter what other reasons they may pile onto their reasoning for violating other human beings is not the heart of why they rape. They are violent criminals and there are likely many reasons for that.
Racism = race + power. You can’t be racist if you are a minority unless you fundamentally change the definition of racism which is a slippery slope (next thing you know people will be wanting to fundamentally change the definition of marriage).
@SKANLYN - I see you have been following the most contemporary arguments of the day
It seems from the American lamestream media that it is perfectly acceptable for black people to be racist against whites. I’ve even been told it is impossible for a black person to be racist.
I think the most annoying thing ever is to be told that the real actual reason I don’t like Obama is because he is black. It’s as if he gets a free pass because he is black.
This post is difficult difficult to read because of misspellings and doubled words.
@Thatslifekid - Sorry about that, but you are first to have have an issue reading it. A lot of people have read it. There 200 comments last time and 27 recommendations. Bad writing and all
There really is no good spin. There is this misconception that only white people are racists yet racism is a human problem and is prevalent.
I live in Houston TX where many white people can’t stand blacks, many black people can’t stand whites and every one thinks the Mexicans and other Hispanics should go back home. Pretty much every one (who is not this way) dislikes those who live in poverty and lack “class” or supposed intelligence.
More than anything, I’ve found that “higher” class people (or more educated people) are prejudiced against lower class people and vice versa, more than it simply being racial bias. If you live in an area where there is a large poor population with a terrible school system, you will often find that there are higher crime rates and retaliation against those who they perceive have more money. Educated Blacks, Hispanics, Asian or Caucasian (and any I missed) people are less likely to be involved in theft or violent crimes that are based on bias and they typically dislike and judge those who are poor (which is often based on the prejudiced thinking that poorer people do not make good life choices).
My basic point is this: people dislike each other based not only on race but also on their economic status and intelligence.
@kuai_le1011 - I agree we do not like “those people” one of the most openly progressive people who comments on my site is very openly bigoted against the lower classes as she sees them. The less educated are simply people she wants stay away from. Being called bigoted over that would horrify her. But her bigotry is no different that the homophobia and racism she is so against
@trunthepaige - Its better now.
@trunthepaige – I have to admit that I don’t want to actively involve myself with people who continuously make terrible choices and have poor life skills as it could cause harm or injury to myself and my family but I at least try to keep an open mind when approaching who they are as people. Some might not share my view but it’s almost impossible not to be biased in one way or another (I’m not talking specifically race but any of the multitude of differences that are contained within the whole compendium of our world) and be human at the same time.
@secretbeerreporter - Is it racist to want to marry within your race?
Your conservatism is showing.
A white rapist is OK because he legitimately raped a white woman. A black rapists are bad because they rape white women 1/2 the time and are thus racists.
At some point, women should just lay back and enjoy it…..
@saturnnights - Individuals? No. But it’s definitely racist when one’s family will disown someone for marrying interracially.
I’ve always wondered about stats like this. They make me think.
@tendollar4ways - Really? Lay back & enjoy being brutalized?
You are talking about numbers when perhaps percentage would be better? Is it easier to convict a black guy for a rape of a white woman or is it easier to convict a white guy for the rape of a black woman?
Racism…
Isn’t that what liberals rant and rave about to make people think they care?
It’s not that simple.
You have to look at the demographics: 72% of the USA population is white.
This means that, if rapists chose their victims entirely at random, 72% of victims would be white.
You cite that black rapists choose white victims “more than half the time” as evidence of a racist criterion for selecting victims. In fact, it is entirely consistent with random selection.
Everyone is an individual. Judge them likewise.
Fear is behind racism. Fear is one of America’s national exports. Just watch Fox News, you’ll find something to be afraid of within a couple hours. They feed on your fear.
Stop being afraid of others who are different, and get to know them instead. The world becomes a much better place for the person who does this, and for those around her.
The reason whites are racist against blacks is because the very opposite of white is black, not just in color but in other things too. It’s too bad you guys must coexist, and let’s not forget that it doesn’t take a pedophile to rape a cute 14 year old, for most us men, if we were to obey our nature, there would be more killings and rape. It is God’s grace that keeps man’s testosterone in check, as for women… you guys are not innocent lambs. Women have no issue using their sexuality as a weopon.
@saturnnights - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/mccain-cancels-fundraiser-with.html
@tendollar4ways - Well, he’s a dirtbag, but why would you repeat it, just to score points against some republican that most would disassociate with?
I think we are all racist to a certain degree but it gets into semantics more so within the same ‘race’ (although technically in science terms ‘race’ doesn’t exist, genetic pigmentation i.e. eye color, skin and feature shape, is still the same atomic make-up) I think we make it more important because we prioritize the visual to self identify and labelling who we are.
although when the day came that an Asian woman thought I was racist to my own kind, when I turned down an Asian man and then i started dating a ’white’ guy instead, when honestly I just didn’t LIKE the other guy he was douchebag and was an a-hole to me and the white boy was nice to me and liked me……sometimes it makes you wonder if racism to other ethnicities doesn’t really exist but a defensive prejudicism to our own identity.
i’m not sure how rape crime is associated to racism.. i mean, can men be considered ageist because (lets say) statistically most rape victim are young women? or, are they sexist because statistically (lets just say) most rape victim are women? just wondering out loud…
@kuai_le1011 - @mtngirlsouth - I think people get confused what people mean when they say blacks in our country can’t be racist towards whites. Per dictionary definition, anyone can be racist if they think the race is superior. From a sociological standpoint, racism is impossible coming from a minority group. The reason being is that they have no power to exercise their racism. They don’t hold the power positions in society, therefore there is nothing that they can exercise their racism with. This is basic power theory. Good reading for this is Steven Lukes – The Three Dimensions of Power
@ShimmerBodyCream - Steven Lukes – Power A Radical View… Within the text: The Three Dimensions of Power
I am going to have to agree with @Such_are_you - about rape. Men that are rapists will give all kinds of excuses for their crimes. The man that raped me wasn’t a racist, he was just misogynistic, violent, and psychotic. I also agree with @somewittyhandle - about the numbers. 95% of men are not rapist so women are safe around men unless they are in the company of a rapists. Rape is a crime of opportunity and a rapists will rape any woman that he feels he can get away with raping.
As far as racism is concerned, I think anyone can be racists. I am not sure why or how “power” was inserted into the definition of racist. I also think that this “power” is as imaginary as the patriarchy that oppresses women. My feelings are more along the lines of what @kuai_le1011 - said. I think there is more tension in areas where there is a large contrast against rich and poor.
@Such_are_you - The indentured servant was a great devise for people to pay off their debts. A father often sold off their children to pay their debt.
Too bad a lot of children were unhealthy and a lot of them died when trying to carry out their term of service, hence proving less worth of value than a black slave.
Ben Franklin was an apprenticed person (suppose to work til a certain age) and he fled from his duty.
I don’t consider myself to be racist. I think it’s dumb to treat someone differently simply because they have a different skin color.
However, it has bothered me that we have a Black History Month and a Latin History Month, so why not a White one? I don’t know if I’m racist for being bothered by that or not.
@PPhilip - OPPs meant to reply to Benilli man.
I’m white and I grew up in the ghetto. I experienced so much racism against me that I didn’t feel safe there. Not because it was a bad neighborhood, but because I was white. I was the victim of several violent crimes while living there. I’ve known far more racist minorities than racist whites. I judge people as individuals, though. Racist people are pricks regardless of their race.
Whoever does rape is a sad person indeed. To link rape with racism is a very bad idea.
Since there is rarely studies with the connection of rape and racism who the heck can really speculate with any authority?
@AngelAsh_86 - Ok to be bothered. The pushing of Black history month was designed to bother those that needed to be bothered.
@MomWithoutaMinivan - ”Not because it was a bad neighborhood” didn’t you meant to write “Not (always) because it was a bad neighborhood”?
The reasons blacks are more violent/criminal are not because of inherent deficiencies. To make a long explanation short, the welfare state has impoverished American blacks.
I should add to my last comment to emphasize that no individual should be judged by the crimes of his ancestors. Racism in any form is disgusting.
Paige… where do you get these numbers from? You’re really trying to convince people that less than ten black women were raped by whites, compared to 37,000 white women raped by blacks?
I will NOT deny that I racism in the African American community is healthy, in fact I’ve experienced a sort of in-house racism as an African American who is well educated, bilingual, successful yadda yadda yadda and worst of all, married a white woman. It is here in our community, I can’t avoid acknowledging that.
What you’re overlooking is that racism takes many forms, not just violence. Please believe me when I tell you that the types of racism I have experienced that have actually happened have come from white people, everything from being subject to racial stereotypes/profiling to being called a “nigger” in public. I have experienced racism or being classified by racial stereotypes as a military officer, in ways that hurt very badly. When I was younger, this once led to a violent confrontation. Take that a step further and look at communities where you could find Obama (Mississippi) lynched in effigy… nobody in the black community did that kind of thing to make a political statement about a president they didn’t like.
You are misrepresenting the facts here, as well. Just because a black is violent against a white person, OR vice-versa, it does not mean it was racially motivated!!! When I’ve had a violent encounter with a white person, it did not mean thy selected me or I selected them based on their race. You basically represented all interracial violence as hate crimes, which is really irresponsible on your part. You really ought to know better.
@secretbeerreporter -
Kettle here, I wish I had more time to respond to you directly, but since I don’t, I will just remind you that the Supreme Court already decided that Affirmative Action serves a national interest and ruled that it was vital to us as a nation. Take a look at the lawsuits filed against the University of Michigan’s undergrad and grad programs back in about 2004, where the USSC ruled that quotas were not constitutional (undergrad lawsuit), but ruled later that day (graduate program lawsuit) that Affirmative Action was legal and vital to this country.
And oh yes, I love my white wife.
Oh and by the way Paige, since no one seems to habve taken a look at your source of information, your own data actually shows that black on black crime is MUCH higher than black on white crime, so your own source shows that, in reality, blacks are most violent against each other than against whites, on the whole. Pay attention to your own information. Great job “spinning” the statistics to make blacks look like we commit more hate crimes than whites.
@ShimmerBodyCream - You seemed to forget the violence is a form of power. Lukes does not accompany for it but most find that violence, wealth and intelligence are the most recognized forms of power. Perhaps his second point of agenda setting could be applied but even then, it doesn’t fit completely.
@Such_are_you - wonderful point. The average man does not simply become a rapist because he is put in a position where he could possibly rape a woman. If that was so, most of my managers would have raped me already since I often closed and it was only me and them in the building. Those who take the opportunity are those who already have it in them.
@kuai_le1011 - Do you mean account for it? Violence is accounted for, and it would be the first dimension of power. The system can be blatantly violent towards blacks. Especially regarding police aggression. On top of that, look at the %s of criminals that are put to death on deathrow. They are mostly black…. cont
@kuai_le1011 - Blacks often do externalize their aggression because they feel shortchanged by society. When you are a marginalized group it is easy to blame failure on the group that oppresses and marginalizes you. White people do not externalize their aggression as much, and often internalize it. This is why white people have higher suicide rates. When you ARE the predominate power group and fail, you have no one to blame but yourself. (in your mind) This is why there is such a disparity between suicides and homicides in these respective groups.
@SlickRick297 - I am so sorry that people have treated you poorly based on your color. More than anything, ignorance is the main contributor to such things. It is the ignorance of people who like to hinge on absolutes, such as if they see one pink elephant, then they surmise that all elephants must be pink.
There is no good spin to put on a stats rape. It is all bad but the definition of the root cause may not necessarily be surmised in the single word of racism. There are three different types of rapists that were not dealt with: opportunistic, impulsive and premeditated. Among those three, there are sadistic types, power reassurance types, power assertive types, anger retaliatory and anger excitation types. So that means that of those numbers of rapes of black men to white women, there could be several different causes, not just the singular cause of racism.
I also believe that there could be a personal preference, as opposed to only a hatred, involved. When I was younger there was a rapists who only raped white, heavy set brunettes in their 30′s. He had a specific type he preferred. This is true in many cases of rape.
@ShimmerBodyCream -
@kuai_le1011 -
I’m sick of watching people make academic arguments about my reality as an African American. The reason why minorities have such a higher crime rate than whites is because they tend to be poorer, and poverty (among any race) inherently breeds crime. Look at the Census statistics on how many tens of thousands of dollars a white family typically earns over a black one… black children on average are much more likely to be born into poor families, which means they have an inherently higher probability of falling into crime. In the black community, the roots of this poverty find themselves in over a century of slavery followed by another century of segregation, which forms the basis of my argument in favor of Affirmative Action. Reply back with an argument of how AA is reverse discrimination or no longer necessary because racism is gone and blacks have equality, I will ask you to explain why the Census shows that black families earn somewhere around $50,000 less per year than white ones, and then ask you to take a walk in my shoes as an African American and then tell me you feel the same way.
America is a great country. Though I’d rather not take it this far, as a defender of American freedom, it would be an honor to give my life in defense of this great nation. That being said, there is still significant room for improvement with regard to racial relations. Though we are very much on the right track.
All this being said, many blacks don’t do themselves any favors by blaming the “White Man” for their lot in life… I have witnessed too many of my own kind who refuse to accept responsibility for their own course through life, and would rather externalize their grief by blaming everyone but themselves for their livelihood, of course the easiest target being white people.
@SlickRick297 - Poverty is another cause of violence, true. As for “not making academic arguments” I think it is important for people to understand why people act the way they do. It isn’t because of the color of their skin, it is society.
@ShimmerBodyCream - lol, yes, I meant account.
How does his first point account for racism or violence? He is talking about governmental control whereas a lot of racism is bread from familial beliefs, personal experiences, societal influences and ignorance of the other race. Some could be part of governmental control by use of media stereotyping and biased reporting but it is not the entire contributor to racism.
White people definitely act out. We should not operate under the premise that blacks are more violent because they are the minority. 84% of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf. 1,358 (44%) white people were on death row, while 1,319(41%) black people were on death row in 2012.
@SlickRick297 - I’m not talking about violence in general. I am talking about rapists. The average man is not a rapist and as it was said, 95% of men will not rape a woman. It is the 5% that do. The percentage of black men that rape white women should not be used to account for the entire population of black men.
@kuai_le1011 - The control is institutionalized. Racism is institutionalized. The people in government that have the power are predominately white men. I’m not saying white people are not violent, that couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m illustrating why you would see any minority group acting out more towards the power group, as they feel they are oppressed and externalize it
@ShimmerBodyCream - I suppose I am confused by the argument because earlier it was stated that “From a sociological standpoint, racism is impossible coming from a minority group. The reason being is that they have no power to exercise their racism”
@Thatslifekid - Thank you
@kuai_le1011 - Exactly. We have institutionalized racism, acting out against a power group still does not put that group in power.
@ShimmerBodyCream -
The bottom line is that, if you are black or Latino and born in this country, you have a much higher liklihood to be born into poverty, and we seem to agree that poverty is a major contributing factor to environments conducive to learning violent behaviors.
I’m upset about the “academic arguments” people like you are making because there are a lot of obviously smart people here talking about total BS. Most of you don’t really have a clue and are making arguments based off of what they read out of some textbook or a Time Magazine article. I was RAISED in this… people are wasting their time talking about textbook definitions of nonsense when I watched a lot of this stuff happen in neighborhoods that largely don’t exist anymore after most of the houses on it were burned down. I don’t mean to insult you, in fact I like your blog very much, however this entire topic-and most of its commentary-is quite offensive to me. The real answer to minority violence is much more complex than “it is society”… that, ma’am, is frankly a copout.
@SlickRick297 - What I said is dead true. White on black crime is rare. And it is out of proportion to the difference in population by a large margin. As I am sue you saw
I do agree that the problem is black criminality, most crime victims are of the same as the criminal. This was not always true, blacks used to be disproportionally law abiding but the numbers do not lie. Thank you for bringing another point of view.
My question for you is, should be ignore information like this because its ugly? I think we should look at it and treat it the same way we do with any problem. How do we fix the problem.
@SlickRick297 - Uhh you just said me saying “it is society” is a copout, yet that is the same exact argument you are using. The class you are born into is a part of society… you’re talking about stratification… so… I’m confused here.
According to the media it is mainly a white problem because making it a racial problem sells their media rags.
Rape happens in all races and it is whatever race the media can sell their rags with that gets attacked by the media.
@SlickRick297 - I think you should be mad. this should infuriated you. you can get mad at me if you want. I understand why it would upset you. This information used by very racist groups to say black men are animals. That is not true at all if this issues was about race them it would have always been true. And once it was not true at all. Something changed for the worst and it was not skin color
@SlickRick297 -
Paige, no. No. You are dead wrong. What you said in your original post is in no way supported by the data you presented to back it up with. You completely misrepresented the report of the Department of Justice as well as misinterpreted their meaning. Most people here will not bother to check your information, they rely on your intelligence to simply believe that what you present as “fact” is good. I didn’t fall for that this time, and I checked your source. It does not support the arguments you are making.
Right off the bat, you say that whites choose blacks as victims of violent crimes 2.4% of the time, when PDF page 30 says 10.4%. Secondly, you completely neglect to mention that black on black crime is overwhelmingly higher than black on white, to be exact 63.5% to 13.5%. That is a very important caveat to mention when you are trying to argue that “Blacks on the other hand” chose white victims “more than half the time”. My God, can this information be spun any more than that???
Thirdly, you completely misrepresent the meaning of the numbers to imply that the black-against-white crime rate indicates that blacks select whites as victims for violence because of their race, which makes it a hate crime, after all, you are trying to make an argument for reverse-racism on the part of blacks. I won’t argue that this never happens, but your interpretation of the data is wildly flawed… as I pointed out in my first comment, the fact that I may have had a violent encounter with a member of another race does not specifically mean that one of us selected the other solely for their race… in most cases, as well as with my own personal experience, it is more likely that we simply did not like each other, and the fact that we were of other races was nothing more than a coincidence. The fact that there was interracial violence DOES NOT mean that the nature of the violence was racially motivated, which would classify as a hate crime. You don’t have to be a member of the same race to decide that you want to commit a non-racially motivated crime against them.
Let me make one thing very unmistakably clear to you, Paige. I am not mad at you for asking the question. I am furious at you for being very misleading with your “facts”, and in my opinion intentionally. Beyond that, I lost respect for you. When you wrote this post, you knew it would be very infuriating to some people, which is why you called it an “ugly opinion”. That is fine, I don’t mind people asking tough questions about racial relations, as should be evidenced by the fact that I conceded the existence of racism within my own racial culture. What upsets me, terribly, is your distortion of information to make your point, on a topic that to you may be about debate, but to me is my FUCKING WAY OF LIFE. I live with the results of prejudice/racism every day. If you have a serious point to make, go for it. If you have to misrepresent information to come up with a lie, how dare you.
Just two things to say here.
First, racism is not race+power, exclusively or even practically. While power assists the racist in oppressing those they deem lesser persons, it is not an equal partner in the definition.
rac·ism (noun) a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
So the argument that a minority cannot be racist is about as intelligent as bringing dehydrated water with you on a trek through the desert.
Secondly… *It’s. Just saying.
@ShimmerBodyCream -
I didn’t explain that well. Blaming “society” for the problems of African Americans is a copout because the opportunities are still there for African Americans to succeed in life.I am a prime example of that. Blaming “society” disproportionately places blame on whites while conveniently removing responsibility from blacks to seek out something better. A lot of blacks want to blame “The White Man” for why they can’t get anywhere in life, and then turn around and insult successful blacks like me who didn’t settle for excuses, and call it “turning white”. While I argue that certain socioeconomic conditions make minorities more likely to enter poverty and then criminality, that is also why I argue in favor of affirmative action. However, affirmative action does not work for people who will not choose to seek opportunities to better themselves and instead want to blame “society” i.e. “The White Man” for their lot in life. While minorities may have started off in a rougher spot, we have the tools to succeed eventually… if they are used.
That being said, I never used affirmative action to get to where I am.
Wait, I’ve got one more thought, more relevant to the post itself.
The cry of “racist” is perhaps the most annoying accusation of the modern day. It’s effectively lost it’s oomph, in my opinion. For instance, those who are against the policies of President Obama are most often dismissed as simply being racist. For starters, this presumes that only white people disagree with him. Additionally, I can’t count how many people I know that voted for him because he was black. “It’s time we have a black President!” News flash: That’s racism, as well. Lastly, while racist beliefs were a large problem in oppressing minorities, those days are long gone. A black person has every available option that a white person has these days, full stop.
Please, do argue that point with me… while you celebrate your black President at the same time.
@kuai_le1011 -
Thank you, I appreciate your sympathy. Really, it’s ok, I understand that there are stupid people everywhere. I’m not bitter towards anyone of any race, in fact, as you can tell from my profile picture I’m in an interracial marriage.
@SlickRick297 - what???she’s white??? JK!
@SlickRick297 - I’m actually not saying it is society that is solely to blame. I’m saying they are more likely to blame society because when you’re an oppressed group you are taught that shortcomings can be the power groups fault. For example: A lot of poor people will have animosity towards the rich. When you feel shortchanged, you are more likely to externalize aggression. I’m NOT saying this is right at all! I’m just trying to add to the discussion of why are these rates higher? Which I think was the discussion Paige was trying to facilitate. I was also trying to help clarify to the two ladies that posted earlier, who were confused about why white people could be racist, and technically a minority group can’t.
@Ghillies_guide -
You know what, against my better judgement I’m going to respond to you. Mostly because I don’t like you, but that’s beside the point.
Voting for a black man because you’re black… I had my own other reasons, but seriously, are you kidding me? A fact that you may not understand is that black people in this country have felt unrepresented, unimportant, and neglected for, well, I guess how ever long there have been black people in this country. Oh yes, I almost forgot, that started with slavery.
My entire life, blacks would make comments about there one day being a black president as a complete JOKE, because the idea of a black being elected president was as laughable as the statement “when hell freezes over”… based on our experience in this country until then, the thought of a black person being elected president just could not be taken seriously… after all, the best we could muster up was Jesse Jackson (ick!) and Alan Keyes (nobody ever heard of him even though he ran for president a bunch of times, sort of like Ralph Nader but less popular).
So, do me a favor and stop picking your nose long enough to consider things from a perspective other than yours for just a minute. Based on the, well, centuries of various forms of oppresseion the black community has experienced in this country, the idea of having a black president was much more of an emotional event than what you can imagine is rational. As a minority in this country, for a long time, we never had anyone in the highest office who we felt understood our issues, was one of us, or who would represent us. That does not mean that voting for Obama as a matter of race was “racist”, it was a matter of voting your interests, which is the whole point of electing someone to represent you. Chew on that.
Oh and by the way, since you decided go bring it up, racial equality isn’t quite as “full stop” as you think it is. Trust me, I’m living it. As an educated black man who has “made it” and has taken full advantage of the non-Affirmative Action education opportunities I was provided, I can tell you that all of the overt and hidden stereotypes I have had to overcome mean that we still aren’t quite there as you seem to think. Live a little and open your eyes.
@ShimmerBodyCream -
Fair enough, point taken. Thank you for the explanation.
@kuai_le1011 -
Yeah, I think so at least. Then again, she’s full of surprises.
@SlickRick297 - You’re replying to me because you don’t like me? There’s some irony for you.
In line with my better judgment, this is me not reading the rest of your comment and paying you no mind because I don’t care if you like me or not.
@SlickRick297 - I am sorry your dead wrong. yes it does support what I said. BUt whatever your mad I leave it at that and problems are not fixed by denying them
Everyone’s profile pics look awful.
@SlackerSociety - Truly ugly that is
@trunthepaige -
What? Seriously? You can’t do any better than this? I addressed the specific points you made, using specific data from YOUR OWN SOURCE, you know, the one from the DoJ that you listed as justification for posting this entry in the first place. You haven’t provided a single rebuttal besides “your dead wrong”, and you’ve made that same empty argument twice. You say I’m mad and that I’m denying that there is a problem, when I actually have admitted several times that we have some problems AND that the source you provided in no way supports your arguments. What’s really happening is that you’re hiding from either making a solid argument in your defense (I suspect you realize that you can’t) or you are too afraid to admit that you made a mistake. Even if you don’t want to own up to what you’ve written here, and no one else ever reads my comments in time to to figure out that you are full of it tonight, know this, that I think you owe me and the rest of your readers an apology for misrepresenting/misusing/abusing information to falsely prove that my race is lopsidedly more prone to racist violence than yours. I’m not naive enough to believe I would ever get that, but I also walk away from this experience with tatters of the respect I had for you before I learned that this is how you do business.
I think someone already mentioned this but I think that because there is a higher population of white people than there is black people, it would make sense statistically for black rapists to end up raping a larger percentage of white people.
There really is no good way of looking at this though. Rapists are monsters and I can’t stand them. No matter what skin color they have.
@SlickRick297 - Yes I can do much better, do you want me to tear up your argument? Do you really want me to? Be carful before you say yes because it will. It not hard for me to do. But I believe that after you calm down I might not need to. I made no mistakes with my numbers an yes I understand differences in population. But you do not want me to start breaking it down that way, because it only gets worse.
@firetyger - Oh they did but the math only mkaes it worce when you break it down that way. Whites are 74% of the population. Blacks are 12%. DO the math
@PPhilip – no, I meant what I said…
@trunthepaige - You’d have done it by now if you were going to, but that’s fine. I’ve lost my interest. You won’t be hearing from me anymore.
“The ultimate evidence of racism, would be searching out members of another race for assault, murder, and especially rape, a crime of dominance and humiliation.”
it might be the ultimate evidence, but that doesn’t make it the only relevant evidence. and when it comes to crimes, racism rarely factors in.
i’m flattered you mentioned me in another comment, but i don’t think your comparison is fair. people can choose whether or not to be educated. they cannot choose what their skin color and sexual preferences are. as for befriending the less educated, it has more to do with what we have in common. i’m extremely academic, as are most of my friends. if i have nothing in common with a person, i don’t care how educated they are… i won’t waste my time with them.
@saturnnights - I would think most people have never even heard of Clayton Williams.
This is a racist (towards blacks) post condemning black racism. The cliche the blacks will rape the white women is hilarious. It is also quite humorous as Paige claimed to be a staunch feminist in a recent post while in this one rapists are presented as normal or the norm and not an aberration. Funny friggin stuff.
Claytons quote is pretty much summerizes the spirit of this post and I don’t see how I couldn’t use it.
@secretbeerreporter - Okay, gotcha. I’d agree with that.
@SlickRick297 - no I wouldn’t because I didn’t. Simple math Please look at yourself I really don’t want to do it To you. 8
@trunthepaige - Without having done the math the first time, I was trying to put a positive spin on it from how the numbers sound.
Going to the page you linked, black men raped roughly 36,620 black women and 37,460 white women. To me, this would seem more like black rapists don’t really care about the race of their victims. It is generally accepted that black culture tends to be more violent, especially since many black people live in a poorer socio-economic situation and crime tends to go along with that. Which would explain why such a small percentage of the population was committing such a high percentage of crimes. However, I find it more interesting that white men have raped 49,613 white women but basically no black women. Does this mean that white men are worried about being considered racist and thus avoid raping black women? My husband and I were discussing this and he seems to think that it has more to do with the perception people have of black women being more powerful and domineering in their culture. And that this would turn off white rapists if they couldn’t imagine exerting control over a black woman, as rape is about power and control.
White people who commit violent crimes and black people who commit violent crimes have something in common. They are violent criminals. Black people are a minority, and more of one in some places than others. There are more white victims and potential victims. Other than that, no, I don’t think racism is mostly a white problem. It’s a people problem, and a *quality of people* problem, regardless of the race of those people.
Racism is Nationalism
Stop taching kids so much history and you’ll have fewer nationalists/ racists
As another commentator has written, you’re having a problem “reading while white”…
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/reading-while-white-black-rape-statistics/
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Some white people have trouble reading American rape statistics.
White commenters will say stuff like this:
Fact – blacks rape white women 2000 (yes 2000) times more than whites rape black women.
or this:
In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
They back this up with the infamous Table 40 or 42 of the US Department of Justice’s yearly “Criminal Victimization in the United States, Statistical Tables”.
Here are the latest numbers for black-and-white rapes from Table 42:
Table 42. Personal crimes of violence, 2008:
Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, by type of crime, race of victim, and perceived race of offender
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Rape/sexual assault (a), Race of victim:
White only 117,640: perceived race of offender: 74.9% white, 16.4%* black
Black only 46,580: perceived race of offender: 0.0%* white, 74.8%* black
The star means “Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases.”
So if you take 16.4% of the 117,640 white women raped in 2008 that gives you 19,286 white women raped by black men! That means that even if as many as ten white men raped black women that year, the highest number allowed by the table, blacks rape white women 1,927 (yes 1,927) times more than whites rape black women.
So our commenters seem to be pretty much right.
Well, no:
Misreading #1: The numbers are not about “rape” but “rape and sexual assault (a)”. Sexual assault means any kind of unwanted sexual touching, like groping or kissing. And the “(a)” means “Includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault”. So it is way more than just rape. Rape is probably just a small part of it.
Misreading #2: Notice that the star meaning “ten or fewer” applies not just to white-on-black “rape and sexual assault (a)” but to black-on-white cases too! So if we claim that ten or fewer black women were raped by white men then we should also say that ten or fewer white women were raped by black men!
Misreading #3: The star means “Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases”, the key word here being “sample”. They did not ask everyone in the country but a sample of 77,852 people, about one in 4,000. So there could have been as many as 40,000 black women raped by white men that year!
Misreading #4: The reason for the star is because ten or fewer sample cases are way too few to draw any firm statistical conclusions. Mere chance could throw the numbers way off.
As it turns out, of the 77,852 people surveyed, only 56 people reported “rape and sexual assault (a)”. According to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN) only 7.5% of sexual assaults are rapes and of those only 6.7% are between whites and blacks. So out of the 56 sample cases, maybe only 4 were rape and of those probably none were interracial.
So this is a case of white people seeing what they want to see, of misreading facts to fit racist stereotypes.
hi paige, did you come up with a footnote on those statistics you cited…I want to get this on the Drudge report, and need a source…ty.
hi paige, did you come up with a footnote on those statistics you cited…I want to get this on the Drudge report, and need a source…ty.
this statistic needs verified, and I’ll try to get it on the Drudge Report. where’d you get it? PLEASE
Statistics can be skewed.
The other piece that is missing is that most cases of rape and domestic violence are undocumented. Women aren’t pressing charges. So maybe, the racism is where white women are pressing charges against black men, and therefore those cases are documented, but both white women and black women are not pressing charges against white men.
Maybe it’s not racism, maybe it’s sexism. Maybe Rape has to do with sexism, not racism.
I agree that there’s no way to put a “good spin” on any of this. It is what it is, and it’s sickening. Rape and racism are two ugly things; they’re even uglier together.