June 10, 2013
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The Conservative Mind
The conservative mind notices that every mass shooting keeps happening in the states with the strictest gun laws. And always in gun free zones. California has the strictest gun laws
5 dead in California shooting, including gunman – CNN.com
Conservative conclusion: Gun control does not work. Conservatives only pass laws if they think they will work and will not make things worse.
The liberal mind will not see that fact and screams “do something”. Facts be damned, who cares if it will not save any lives. They do not care if the new laws are making the problem worse, by creating a helpless class out of people who obey the law.
The liberal mind does not care if it works or not, they want to feel like they are doing something. “Just do something” even if its the wrong thing.
Comments (68)
Apparently.
Conservatives live in reality. Liberals live in whatever hallucination they’ve been brainwashed to believe is real.
I still dont know where I stand on this issue. People should have the right to protect themselves anywhere (cause yes, criminals dont care about gun free zones. In fact, those are areas they can do the most damage cause there are likely not people to fight back). However, my faith background sees Jesus being more concerned about peace than gun, love than violence. For now, I dont own a gun myself but if I had a family, it might make me think twice. Man, it would be easier if guns didnt exist and/or evil and hurtful people didnt exist. But, we dont live in a perfect world.
A study recently showed that when men were physically strong they were more likely also conservative-minded.The wimps were most often liberal.Yep, sounds about right. (Doug says, as he bench presses a VW just for fun)
@Doubledb - There was a time when guns did not exist. And it was a far more violent time than today. A strong well trained man with a sword was imposable to stop unless you were also a strong well trained man
@Ghillies_guide - And prettier woman are more likely to be conservative … Are we trying to be mean?
Me? No. Not this time. This is more like wearing the shirt when your team wins the Super Bowl. That, and the finding does support your post as well.Strength equals independence and ability often. Ability equals competence.Strength equals competence.Competence breeds effectiveness.Hence the difference in the two perspectives.
This highlights that the conservative mind cannot comprehend things that are not black and white and simple and can be feed to them on a spoon by Sean Hannity.I think CT had a blog recently on the much larger picture.
@tendollar4ways - SO true we do not deal with liberal hallucinations like liberals are so able to do. I guess the way you guys are dealing your own mental health issues all the time helps you with your fact free thoughts
@tendollar4ways - I saw that one he lied constantly in that one.
While mass shootings do get more attention, and do happen to occur in Blue States (which is probably because of higher population density), the overall gun death rates are higher in states with less gun control.http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/03/us-usa-guns-report-idUSBRE9320ZE20130403
@coolmonkey - Gun deaths are a joke. Meaning crap. Deal with reality, its a fact that guns do not increase suicide rates. And when you say gun deaths you are not talking about murder you are talking about suicide rates. According to this crap (lie) Wyoming which is one of the least violent states in the USA has a greater gun death rate than California. When in fact it has one of the lowest murder rates in the nation. and Californian is great place to get murdered. Next time lets not tell lies
@coolmonkey - I wonder are really so stupid that you did not know that this was a load of crap?
I don’t like the ‘just do something’ way of doing things. The education system suffers from that way of doing things.
@C_L_O_G - Guess who is in charge of the education system.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - It is a confused mess at the federal level. Between Congress, paid bureaucrats, and appointees it is difficult to know who is ‘in charge’. Maybe that is part of the problem. At the state level if varies. In Alabama, conservatives are in charge of education and they use the same technique.
@C_L_O_G - You are making the Rush Limbaugh argument for limited government.Liberals believe in big government. But here you are, a liberal, lamenting that big government is a big mess.Such is the liberal mind.
Conservative mind is kind of an oxymoron.@Ghillies_guide - @trunthepaige - Another study found that conservatives tend to have larger amygdalas, whereas liberals have larger prefrontal cortexes. Essentially, the conservative brain is more primitive, which would definitely explain the aforementioned emphasis on physical strength and appearance.
@Maverick83 - Just out of curiousity, who did that study? Full disclosure, I don’t recall who my study was performed by, but if you want to know I’m sure I can find it online.But yeah, your study, who ran it?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - I’m not for big government. Less is definitely more when it comes to government. I fall into the liberalism category in most ways. According to the free dictionary liberalism is A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority. That isn’t the same thing as the commonly held perception of the liberals in our government.
“The study was conducted by scientists from Denmark’s Aarhus University and UC Santa Barbara, who collected data on the bicep size, socio-economic status and support for economic redistribution from hundreds of individuals in America, Argentina and Denmark.”http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/strong-men-conservative-study/2013/05/17/id/505083
@Ghillies_guide - There’s an article on it here. Minor correction, the larger region in liberals is the anterior cingulate cortex, not the prefrontal cortex as I had initially (and mistakenly) recalled. Nonetheless, it is still a region associated with higher reasoning.
@Ghillies_guide - I never doubted your study. Like I said in my intial response, I think it makes perfect sense.
@Maverick83 - I don’t recall insinuating that you’d doubted it. That was merely the source citing of the study, for the sake of fairness, and because I’d neglected to do so originally, as I was on my phone at the time and it’s much more difficult to copy/paste on that device.As for your study, from the article you linked, a direct conclusion from the researcher:The theories are best guesses. And Kanai qualifies the findings of his own study, acknowledging that political orientation is complex, and can fall into more than just two categories. In addition, the study doesn’t answer whether brain structure influences political preferences or vice versa: it’s possible that the shape of the brain changes over time with a person’s experiences — and with his or her changing political views.So, to translate “This study doesn’t actually show anything, because everything I’ve found is, at best, a guess. Additionally, these shapes of brains can change over time, so there’s actually no proof of my hypothesis at all.”Hey, thanks for sharing that relevant information sir. I’ll attempt to digest it further, with my primitive mind.By the way, did you know that a conservative is less likely to follow the gaze of a person’s eyes on a computer screen image? Yeah, turns out only the liberals tend to follow along.Baaaa. Baaaa.
@Ghillies_guide - Oh, I know. I merely referenced the study in my comment, which was predicated upon the correlation discovered in the study. Given the context, the question of whether that correlation is cause or effect hardly seems relevant. Your interpretation is about what I would expect, from the same mind which formulated the notion that physical strength equates to competence.
@Maverick83 - Me Tarzan?…you Jane.Me go l
I think that the political elites are so disconnected from the violent reality that every day people face that their “policies” are a manifestation of these discrepancies existing within this society. I also somehow believe that these policy makers don’t believe in half of the policies they make. They simply pass it to shut down criticism from public. Little do they know their “false” judgement is what causes discontent among the populace. We need “real” people, meaning every day folks like you and I to decide what’s best for gun policies, not some Harvard graduate who has never lived in the ghetto or rural regions draft laws. Their thinking is unrealistic and impractical.
Paige, PaigeI will miss you.
A man competent at loving women is hopelessly inept at womanizing them at will; unless he feels the conditions are right with a woman he’s intensely nervous about. I can’t cite a formal study on this notion, but I’d bet a c-bill it’s true.
@trunthepaige - I posted my source. Where’s yours?
I sense a contradiction. The Santa Monica City college shooter had multiple weapons and an assault type one at that. My issue is that if there was less gun control would someone have been able to shoot back at the shooter? I guess Truththepaige would be quiet if a gun shooting happened in a state with less gun controls before she would be quiet about gun laws.The police were able to shoot the shooter in the Library. Is truth the paige going to claim that an alert citizen could have shot him? Yet because the shooter had a bullet type vest maybe it would have needed a marksman citizen shooter.I am still against high capacity gun (amunition) clips. There is no need for it in this case and you didn’t address that issue nor convinced me of the folly either.
So you think that lunatics ahould just be ale to acquire a gun withut a background check so he can kill 33 people? The Virginia Tech gunman acquired his firearm legally, in a red state. Te only people with guns who kill others are gun toting low lifes and hardcore fascist rednecks, e.g. conservatives. You turn background checks so people with a history of criminal activity can’t shoot and kill other people into an assault on your rights. that’s what you conservatives do. they turn other people’s rights into an attqck on your own because we don’t elieve what ou elieve and You think uou have the right to force us, e.g. the government imposeing Christianity on everyone including public schools. You protest ghe building of a mosque but then bitch when not everyone prays in school and twist thr facts around so that prayer in our mind is banned from schools. It is’t the school simply may not force it on students like you’re doing now. you think if you don’t have the right to coerce thera into believing whatou do, you’re the victim and your rights are being infringed upon. You think background checks means taking your 2nd amendment rights away simply because serial killers may not possess a firearm. The amendment ou talk about more than any other combined. When liberals advocate for equiality and freedom on any other issue they’re socialists. When they advocate for. Background checks, they’re dictators. If you have no criminal history or a history of mental illness you have nothing to worry about so get over it, huh? The second amendment: more important than our life. And aren’t conservatives pro life?
Stop being so butthurt that you lost the election with your elite out of touch billionaire bureaucrats who want to give themselves tax breaks, but tax the middle and lower classes.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Our. big government builds our roads teaches our children, delivers our mail, defends our country. Alleged conservatives want to ban abortion, contraception, and marriage equality; raise student loan interest rates; give tax breaks to the billionaires; and listen to our phone calls. Remember Bush signed the Patriot Act. So how small a government are conservatives actually pursuing here?
@Maverick83 - Im sorry its sucks to not be one of the better looking and more mentally stable members of society.
@Fagyourmouth - What ae you talking about? Certainly not what I wrote about
@Fagyourmouth - He got his guns because some morons call mental heath records a deep dark secret. But he broke the law when he lied about his mental health history. He got away with breaking that law because of liberal morons who make that information unavailable to background checks. Criminals tend to break the law. The liberal solution to that is pass more laws that will also be broken. The conservative mind thinks in terms of enforcing the laws that are being broken, not passing new ones. The problem you see is not the law, but poor enforcement of the laws we already have. I know that is over your head but its the truth
@coolmonkey - I have posted it and many more many many times. but you seem to have the memory of a gnat.
@PPhilip - Dude I’m sorry your unable to see the problem.He killed few people only because he really did not try to kill many. They were all helpless in your gun free paradise. The gun laws of Cal are the toughest in the nation (according the to Brady campaign)yet they do not work.
@Tooty_fruits - Positions “just do something” to win votes. I do not see that they even believe that they are doing anything that works
@trunthepaige - Tough laws should spread. Dry states do not give up their dry laws just because folks can bring alcohol into their state from other states.Callifornia will stick to their anti assault weapon ban despite the guns being imported from other states. The shooter at SMC was moving fast but got cornered in the Library. Your idiot notion that someone carrying a gun could have taken him out is preposterous, trained swat teams took out the shooter.Brady group knows that more gun control is needed or at least fine tune some of the laws. Just like domestic violence laws do not technically work but it also is a work in progress. Are you saying just because laws do not work we should stop working on laws? YOu are being very cynical or selectively being cynical.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2012/12/firearm-OECD-UN-data3.jpgThe gun issue isn’t important to me. But I think the conservative approach of just trying to cover up there’s a problem with gun violence under the false dichotomy of guns = freedom is astonishing.
@trunthepaige - Yes, I’m sure it must. So I assume occasionally lashing out with this sort of insane right-wing nonsense is your coping mechanism?
I agree with what is said.
The emotion based “We have to do something!” (even if it changes nothing) mentality is a dangerous one.
this is pretty silly.
What suggestions have you offered then? In you warped mind, it’s simply better to do nothin at all?
that kind of black-and-white thinking is very pre-school. taking that logic…murder has been illegal for quite a while, but people still kill each other. therefore, the law doesn’t work and we should do away with it.also, why do you care only about mass shootings? what about the kid who shot and killed his dad in Arizona, a red state? do those people matter less to you in some moral sense?
@Ghillies_guide - i prefer intelligence over physical strength. everyone eventually gets old and feeble, but intelligence lasts a lifetime. see: Hawking.
@flapper_femme_fatale - That’s fascinating! Thank you for sharing your personal preference with me; I’d been wondering, but now I can sleep at night.P.S. a truly intelligent person would seek both. But therein lies the rub.
Equivalency: “I prefer rich people. See: Madoff”
@PPhilip - The brady group and you ignore all the real research that all shows the same thing. Gun laws, all of them, have never been shown to save any lives. That is just a fact that you will ignore because you are irrationally scared of guns
@flapper_femme_fatale - High IQ has never been associated with liberal politics. but the attractive also have a higher IQ’s on average than the unattractive. What does this all prove? Nothing
@flapper_femme_fatale - Oh yes asking if a law works is so simplistic, conservative and efective
@Maverick83 - Being well thought certainly is. and for you its thinking with your heart and not your mind then calling it logic
@trunthepaige - So, you’re unfamiliar with both logic and human anatomy.
@Maverick83 - You are funny. Very funny. And sadly unintelligent
The comments back and forth in this string really make me Laugh and is why I will miss xanga.
@tendollar4ways - Writing to adoring silent masses sucks.
@Ghillies_guide - i find buff muscle-head guys who look like they could benchpress my car to be insanely unattractive.
@trunthepaige - it’s simplistic if you want to judge it on whether it’s 100% break-proof, because no law is. the argument you’re making should be applied to everything across the board, otherwise it’s inapplicable. in my opinion, if a law stops even one person from doing something illegal, it’s absolutely effective and worth it.
@flapper_femme_fatale - Brenda… that’s your name, right?Listen closely, please.First, those guys aren’t the only ones who can be called strong. Second…. and I’ll talk slowly this time, to help you grasp this…I. Don’t. Give. A. Fuck. What. You. Find. Attractive.You’re free to share your opinions here, to your little heart’s content. But why do you insist on involving me in them?Your opinions mean nothing to me, you don’t have to include me in the sharing of them to make your points. This isn’t news to you, so why? Seriously.
@trunthepaige - I’m glad you think so. That I’m unintelligent, I mean. You’re like a logical fallacy see ‘n say. Just a note, “The Texas Sharpshooter says…” would have made an awesome title for this one.
Honestly you are not very bright. Maybe in some limited area you are great. But over all you are sort of slow. And you are not being even a little honest right now. Or if you really beive what you just said. You are a even drummer than I have always thought you were
@trunthepaige - I am drumfounded by that comment.The simple reality and obvious conclusions you conservatives believe in are often inaccurate, and never complete.
Accurate and concisely stated.
I think it comes down to idealism and pragmatism. Conservatives are more honest about the human condition and its ills, while liberals are more motivated by what they wish could be the case. Conservatives are accused of being cold and unmoving, only because they are more realistic about what can and cannot work in solving human problems. Liberals are emotive and reactionary, and are not lead by cold logic. Ie: Gun control will stop mass murder. Giving money for an indefinite amount of time to unemployed workers will help rather than hurt poverty levels. Controlling people’s speech and beliefs is in the best interest of the individual. Etc, etc.
@Maverick83 - Actauly we almost always are reality based. While liberals lean on the words should or could. Without any proof that what they are talking about should or could be different than it is. Conservatives see the way it is and deal with it. Liberals dream of a different way and try it. Even if the difernt way has been tried before and failed. Reality is not something the liberal mind spends much time thinking about. They prefer to dream